[DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines

Thu Jan 19 03:47:41 EST 2012

Boyd,

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:39 PM, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Michael,
> The only time I have been known to wear panties was when I was tearing a
> pair off a lady friend with my teeth and they got caught on my head. I
> don't know who you have been having your intellectual debates with but
> there is no shortage of facts here. I have heard you brag about being able
> to "back your garbage up" but no one is doubting your driving ability LOL
> Seriously I have not seen any facts emanating from your corner.
>
> Some links to facts for you.
>
> US net oil exporter for
> 2011<http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2011/12/us_net_exports.html>
>

I normally delete threads like this on this list, but I had to reply to
this one because it is very misleading. We are not a net oil exporter! This
is for refined oil products and amounted to about $80 billion annually in
exports, which helps. But we still import more than 10 million barrels of
crude oil every day at a cost of more than $350 billion per year. We are
nowhere close to energy independence.

North America has more energy in natural gas than oil in the Middle East.
Comparing the carbon footprint, ethanol from corn is a joke compared to
natural gas. If President Obama was serious about energy independence he
would have signed an executive order his first day in office that all new
federal vehicles purchased had to be able to run on natural gas. This
builds out the infrastructure needed for consumers to be able to buy
vehicles powered by natural gas and be able to refill while on the road.
Natural gas in hybrid vehicles makes so much sense.

And yesterday President Obama denied the permit to build the Keystone XL
pipeline from Canada to Texas. This isn't the end for this, so hopefully in
the end it will be built. This will only improve our exports of refined oil
products. Otherwise, China will pay to have a pipeline built to British
Columbia to fill tankers destined for Asia.

Cheers,

Denny
----

Us net oil exporter
> #2<
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-16/us-oil-boom/52053236/1
> >
>
> US poised to retake status as net oil
> exporter<
> http://seekingalpha.com/article/315669-u-s-poised-to-retake-status-as-net-petroleum-products-exporter
> >
>
> Tar oil spills <http://ww4report.com/node/9874>
>
> Montana oil pipeline  spills Tar sands
> oil<
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/15/us-oil-spill-montana-idUSTRE76E0OJ20110715
> >
>
>
> Let me know how many more facts you want to match up against your "Garbage
> "
> Since Tar sand oil is in many ways similar to garbage your choice of words
> is more apropos then you might think.
> Hugh Boyd Casey
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
> michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Lots of quips from the panty wearing liberals, yet Zero facts... as
> usual.
> >
> > Obama is a socialist pig, hellbent on destroying our country from within
> by
> > policy, deed and his uncultured,  inner Kenyan oafishness.
> >
> > Michael
> >  On Jan 18, 2012 7:02 PM, "Bill Moore" <Bill at incendium.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If it's garbage, burn it as fuel. LOL.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > Calgary
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:   Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > > Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > > Date:   Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:46:44
> > > To: Larry Finch<fresnofinches at aol.com>; detomaso at realbig.com<
> > > detomaso at realbig.com>
> > > Reply-To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines
> > >
> > > Larry,
> > >
> > >     This has gotten past a contest to see who can score points.
> > >
> > >     I'd really like to hear your honest opinion of Obama's energy
> policy.
> > > The only policy I can see is making fossil fuels very expensive or
> > > unavailable, and subsidizing solar and wind energy, to the extent that
> > > fossil fuels will no longer be viable for the common man in the United
> > > States.  I see a total disregard for the consequences, specifically
> > > the harm to the average American.  I have seen estimates that solar and
> > > wind energy can only provide a small percent (25%?) of the energy we
> use
> > > now.  What kind of America do you envision when most of use can't drive
> > > cars and can't keep the lights on?  Some people seem to actually think
> > that
> > > electricity comes out of the air and that electric cars mean an end to
> > > fossil fuel, but I assume we all realize that nearly all electricity in
> > the
> > > US is generated from fossil fuel.
> > >
> > >      I am willing to listen to what you think, and if you believe that
> > > global warming is a valid reason to turn the US into a 3rd world
> economy
> > I
> > > will respect your view, but I would just like a realistic and honest
> > > statement.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:10 PM
> > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Sorta NPC, goodbye internal combustion engines
> > >
> > > Michael wrote -
> > > "be prepared to back your garbage up, I can."
> > >
> > >
> > > Garbage. I am glad you can back your garbage up.
> > >
> > > But if its garbage..........
> > >
> > > You called it, I didn't.  :-)
> > >
> > > Larry - sticks and stones.........
> > >
> > >
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