[DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps

George P Dausch IV gpd4 at juno.com
Mon Jan 16 14:38:31 EST 2012 

For the last fourteen years I have ridden Boss Hoss V8 powered
motorcycles.  My current ride is a 502ci 589hp, which is daily
transportation.  It uses a Jabsco Centripuppy remote water pump, and this
year I replaced my first one ever at 186,000 miles.  It still pumped
fine, but a few times it didn't start spinning when I turned the ignition
on, so it was time.  I think electric is an excellent way to go.
GPD4

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:00:51 +0000 peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net writes:
> I have the electric fan and electric water pump set up on my V-8 Vega 
> and love it because it give you much more control when warming up 
> and cooling off the car. It's great being able to run the pump and 
> fan even when the car is not running. Its the old Moroso style where 
> the motor is separate and belt driven. The electric motor overheated 
> and failed once on the way to a film shoot at Castle and made for a 
> bad experience in a good day. I'm a fan of the concept and with the 
> progress in reliability and efficiency believe it to be a practical 
> option these days. Still would be nervous about trying to run an 
> electric water pump for 12 hours on a drive to Phoenix.
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> Date:        Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:41:31 
> To: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com<michael at michaelshortt.com>; Asa Jay 
> Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>; 
> detomaso at realbig.com<detomaso at realbig.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
> 
> There is enough usage and development of water pumps I think the 
> quality
> is getting to where they are and will be a viable alternative.
> 
> As far a speed, optimum speed what ever that may be is optimum 
> speed. I
> don't see a need for the pump to change speed. if you have a good 
> flowing
> bypass with thermostats.
> 
> Ken the bypas I got a while back was nice but it did not block the 
> bypass
> with the thermostat open which. I started making a 2 thermostat flow
> through with bypass to ensure good flow.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> > Michael,
> >  
> >     I have the same gut feeling about increasing the failure 
> modes by
> > adding electrical components, but the water pump may be an 
> exception.  The
> > Meziere electric pumps have a projected life of 3,000 hours.  
> They also
> > don't have the load of a belt to deal with, and people who use them 
> seem
> > to think they are great.  I suspect that they reduce the oveall 
> failure
> > rate of a vehicle. 
> >  
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> > To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> > Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com"
> > <detomaso at realbig.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>;
> > Bill at incendium.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
> >
> >
> > I personally wouldn't use one, I've had far more electrical 
> malfunctions
> > (battery, alternator, etc) than I have had waterpump failures or 
> belts
> > breaking.
> > Michael
> > On Jan 15, 2012 10:23 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
> > <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Right you are, I stand corrected.
> >>MICHAEL
> >>On Jan 15, 2012 10:21 PM, "Bill Moore" <Bill at incendium.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Michael, Ken did say Parallel not series. However the size of 
> coolant
> >> lines, diameter and length also enter into the equation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Regards:
> >>>Bill Moore
> >>>Incendium Supply Ltd
> >>>Suite 416, 305-4625 Varsity Dr NW
> >>>Calgary, Alberta
> >>>T3A 0Z9
> >>>
> >>>403 202 0055
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From:   "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >>>Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>Date:   Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:14:15
> >>>To: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> >>>Reply-To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>Cc: Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>;
> >>> detomaso at realbig.com<detomaso at realbig.com>
> >>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
> >>>
> >>>I am not an engineer nor do I have any training in fluid 
> dynamics, but I
> >>>don't see how running two in a series will move any additional 
> coolant,
> >>>maybe in parallel.  Somebody educate me
> >>>
> >>>MICHAEL
> >>>On Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Asa,
> >>>>
> >>>>     I have  Meziere WP311B which is rated at 55 GPM with no 
> load.  I
> >>>> don't
> >>>> think they make a Cleveland specific pump, but they make a back 
> plate
> >>>> PN
> >>>> WP123B.  The original recirculation passage is covered, so you 
> need to
> >>>> do
> >>>> something different for warm up.  Maybe a PWM controller (talk 
> to Dave
> >>>> Londry about that).
> >>>>
> >>>>     The folks at Meziere told me that the pump actually pumps 
> about 33
> >>>> GPM
> >>>> in a car, and that's about what a really good mechanical pump 
> does at
> >>>> 3,500
> >>>> RPM.  So it's better than a good mechanical pump below 3,500, 
> and
> >>>> pumps
> >>>> less above 3,500, so it's not the hot setup if you want to run 
> an open
> >>>> road
> >>>> race at 5,000 RPM, but you can run two remote pumps in parallel 
> and
> >>>> move
> >>>> plenty of coolant.
> >>>>
> >>>>     They have a great reputation and should be very good for 
> anything
> >>>> less
> >>>> than sustained high RPM.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> >>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:29 PM
> >>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone on this list installed a remote Meziere electric water 
> pump
> >>>> with
> >>>> their Ford 351C?
> >>>> http://www.meziere.com
> >>>> If so, what parts, part numbers did you use and how did you go 
> about
> >>>> it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Asa Jay
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >>>> &  Shelley Marie
> >>>> Spokane, WA
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