[DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps

Mon Jan 16 14:00:51 EST 2012

I have the electric fan and electric water pump set up on my V-8 Vega and love it because it give you much more control when warming up and cooling off the car. It's great being able to run the pump and fan even when the car is not running. Its the old Moroso style where the motor is separate and belt driven. The electric motor overheated and failed once on the way to a film shoot at Castle and made for a bad experience in a good day. I'm a fan of the concept and with the progress in reliability and efficiency believe it to be a practical option these days. Still would be nervous about trying to run an electric water pump for 12 hours on a drive to Phoenix.
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Date:	Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:41:31 
To: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com<michael at michaelshortt.com>; Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>; detomaso at realbig.com<detomaso at realbig.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps

There is enough usage and development of water pumps I think the quality
is getting to where they are and will be a viable alternative.

As far a speed, optimum speed what ever that may be is optimum speed. I
don't see a need for the pump to change speed. if you have a good flowing
bypass with thermostats.

Ken the bypas I got a while back was nice but it did not block the bypass
with the thermostat open which. I started making a 2 thermostat flow
through with bypass to ensure good flow.

Gary

> Michael,
>  
>     I have the same gut feeling about increasing the failure modes by
> adding electrical components, but the water pump may be an exception.  The
> Meziere electric pumps have a projected life of 3,000 hours.  They also
> don't have the load of a belt to deal with, and people who use them seem
> to think they are great.  I suspect that they reduce the oveall failure
> rate of a vehicle. 
>  
> Ken
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>;
> Bill at incendium.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>
>
> I personally wouldn't use one, I've had far more electrical malfunctions
> (battery, alternator, etc) than I have had waterpump failures or belts
> breaking.
> Michael
> On Jan 15, 2012 10:23 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com"
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Right you are, I stand corrected.
>>MICHAEL
>>On Jan 15, 2012 10:21 PM, "Bill Moore" <Bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>>
>>Michael, Ken did say Parallel not series. However the size of coolant
>> lines, diameter and length also enter into the equation.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards:
>>>Bill Moore
>>>Incendium Supply Ltd
>>>Suite 416, 305-4625 Varsity Dr NW
>>>Calgary, Alberta
>>>T3A 0Z9
>>>
>>>403 202 0055
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From:   "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>>>Date:   Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:14:15
>>>To: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>>Reply-To: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>Cc: Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>;
>>> detomaso at realbig.com<detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>>>
>>>I am not an engineer nor do I have any training in fluid dynamics, but I
>>>don't see how running two in a series will move any additional coolant,
>>>maybe in parallel.  Somebody educate me
>>>
>>>MICHAEL
>>>On Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Asa,
>>>>
>>>>     I have  Meziere WP311B which is rated at 55 GPM with no load.  I
>>>> don't
>>>> think they make a Cleveland specific pump, but they make a back plate
>>>> PN
>>>> WP123B.  The original recirculation passage is covered, so you need to
>>>> do
>>>> something different for warm up.  Maybe a PWM controller (talk to Dave
>>>> Londry about that).
>>>>
>>>>     The folks at Meziere told me that the pump actually pumps about 33
>>>> GPM
>>>> in a car, and that's about what a really good mechanical pump does at
>>>> 3,500
>>>> RPM.  So it's better than a good mechanical pump below 3,500, and
>>>> pumps
>>>> less above 3,500, so it's not the hot setup if you want to run an open
>>>> road
>>>> race at 5,000 RPM, but you can run two remote pumps in parallel and
>>>> move
>>>> plenty of coolant.
>>>>
>>>>     They have a great reputation and should be very good for anything
>>>> less
>>>> than sustained high RPM.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:29 PM
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>>>>
>>>> Anyone on this list installed a remote Meziere electric water pump
>>>> with
>>>> their Ford 351C?
>>>> http://www.meziere.com
>>>> If so, what parts, part numbers did you use and how did you go about
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>> &  Shelley Marie
>>>> Spokane, WA
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