[DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps

Mon Jan 16 01:25:12 EST 2012

Dave,

Does anyone -make- such a controller?

Asa Jay
<becoming more technically challenged the older I get>

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
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On 1/15/2012 9:54 PM, Dave Londry wrote:
> The 55 gpm is the free-flow rating.
> Meziere seems to be happy with the 35 gpm up to 650 hp although we don't
> know at what duty cycle.
> I certainly prefer the 55 gpm pump for a built Cleveland.
> If you use a variable speed motor control you can
> - Toss the thermostat and lose all of that particular restriction -
> which lets you get closer to the rated flow.
> - Use pump speed for temperature control; both set-point and warmup
> characteristic.
> - Bring the coolant flow up to max before bringing the fans in,
>    then variable speed control the fans too.
> - let the controller run a cool-out cycle after shutdown
> The HP gain claims vary a lot, but if you are going to run high rpms
>     you don't have to find the underdrive pulley or the anti-cavitation
> impeller
>     and if you compare it to the power to drive a cavitating pump.
> The Des Hamill Cleveland-book suggests there is 12 HP
>    going into the stock pump at 7000 rpm.
>
> dave
>
>
> On 15/01/2012 7:29 PM, Bill Moore wrote:
>> I agree, what's the upside to an electrical W/P, if it provides the required coolant flow ?
>>
>>
>> Regards:
>> Bill Moore
>> Incendium Supply Ltd
>> Suite 416, 305-4625 Varsity Dr NW
>> Calgary, Alberta
>> T3A 0Z9
>>
>> 403 202 0055
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com"<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:26:25
>> To:<michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> Reply-To: michael at michaelshortt.com
>> Cc: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso at realbig.com<detomaso at realbig.com>; Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>;<Bill at incendium.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>>
>> I personally wouldn't use one, I've had far more electrical malfunctions
>> (battery, alternator, etc) than I have had waterpump failures or belts
>> breaking.
>>
>> Michael
>> On Jan 15, 2012 10:23 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com"<
>> michaelsavga at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>
>>> Right you are, I stand corrected.
>>>
>>> MICHAEL
>>> On Jan 15, 2012 10:21 PM, "Bill Moore"<Bill at incendium.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael, Ken did say Parallel not series. However the size of coolant
>>>> lines, diameter and length also enter into the equation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards:
>>>> Bill Moore
>>>> Incendium Supply Ltd
>>>> Suite 416, 305-4625 Varsity Dr NW
>>>> Calgary, Alberta
>>>> T3A 0Z9
>>>>
>>>> 403 202 0055
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:   "michael at michaelshortt.com"<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>> Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>>>> Date:   Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:14:15
>>>> To: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>>> Reply-To: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>> Cc: Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>; detomaso at realbig.com<
>>>> detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>>>>
>>>> I am not an engineer nor do I have any training in fluid dynamics, but I
>>>> don't see how running two in a series will move any additional coolant,
>>>> maybe in parallel.  Somebody educate me
>>>>
>>>> MICHAEL
>>>> On Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM, "Ken Green"<kenn_green at yahoo.com>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Asa,
>>>>>
>>>>>       I have  Meziere WP311B which is rated at 55 GPM with no load.  I
>>>> don't
>>>>> think they make a Cleveland specific pump, but they make a back plate PN
>>>>> WP123B.  The original recirculation passage is covered, so you need to
>>>> do
>>>>> something different for warm up.  Maybe a PWM controller (talk to Dave
>>>>> Londry about that).
>>>>>
>>>>>       The folks at Meziere told me that the pump actually pumps about 33
>>>> GPM
>>>>> in a car, and that's about what a really good mechanical pump does at
>>>> 3,500
>>>>> RPM.  So it's better than a good mechanical pump below 3,500, and pumps
>>>>> less above 3,500, so it's not the hot setup if you want to run an open
>>>> road
>>>>> race at 5,000 RPM, but you can run two remote pumps in parallel and move
>>>>> plenty of coolant.
>>>>>
>>>>>       They have a great reputation and should be very good for anything
>>>> less
>>>>> than sustained high RPM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>
>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:29 PM
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone on this list installed a remote Meziere electric water pump with
>>>>> their Ford 351C?
>>>>> http://www.meziere.com
>>>>> If so, what parts, part numbers did you use and how did you go about it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>>> &    Shelley Marie
>>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>>> ******************************
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