[DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps

Sun Jan 15 22:59:27 EST 2012

Bill, I have an electric waterpump on my Chevrolet. Not a Mezier but very similar billet pump. Two advantages that haven't yet been discussed are - it frees up a small amount of horsepower. Same with an electric fan vs a clutch fan. Just less drag on the motor.  I mean underdrive pullies are made to create more flow at a lesser loss of power, the next logical step is no power  loss at the expense of cooling.

 I would need to freshen up on my data but I believe the gains are enough that maybe some would consider them significant. maybe 5-10 horse? Also with an electric pump and electric fans, you can circulate coolant and cool the motor when it's not running. This was popular in my drag racing days to recover more quickly on cars that ran hot, after several passes, or would at least benefit from running much colder. 

Just something to consider. 

Cullen

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On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:29 PM, "Bill Moore" <Bill at incendium.com> wrote:

> I agree, what's the upside to an electrical W/P, if it provides the required coolant flow ? 
> 
> 
> Regards:
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply Ltd
> Suite 416, 305-4625 Varsity Dr NW
> Calgary, Alberta
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:26:25 
> To: <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Reply-To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso at realbig.com<detomaso at realbig.com>; Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>; <Bill at incendium.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
> 
> I personally wouldn't use one, I've had far more electrical malfunctions
> (battery, alternator, etc) than I have had waterpump failures or belts
> breaking.
> 
> Michael
> On Jan 15, 2012 10:23 PM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <
> michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Right you are, I stand corrected.
>> 
>> MICHAEL
>> On Jan 15, 2012 10:21 PM, "Bill Moore" <Bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Michael, Ken did say Parallel not series. However the size of coolant
>>> lines, diameter and length also enter into the equation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards:
>>> Bill Moore
>>> Incendium Supply Ltd
>>> Suite 416, 305-4625 Varsity Dr NW
>>> Calgary, Alberta
>>> T3A 0Z9
>>> 
>>> 403 202 0055
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:   "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>>> Date:   Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:14:15
>>> To: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>> Reply-To: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> Cc: Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>; detomaso at realbig.com<
>>> detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>>> 
>>> I am not an engineer nor do I have any training in fluid dynamics, but I
>>> don't see how running two in a series will move any additional coolant,
>>> maybe in parallel.  Somebody educate me
>>> 
>>> MICHAEL
>>> On Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Asa,
>>>> 
>>>>    I have  Meziere WP311B which is rated at 55 GPM with no load.  I
>>> don't
>>>> think they make a Cleveland specific pump, but they make a back plate PN
>>>> WP123B.  The original recirculation passage is covered, so you need to
>>> do
>>>> something different for warm up.  Maybe a PWM controller (talk to Dave
>>>> Londry about that).
>>>> 
>>>>    The folks at Meziere told me that the pump actually pumps about 33
>>> GPM
>>>> in a car, and that's about what a really good mechanical pump does at
>>> 3,500
>>>> RPM.  So it's better than a good mechanical pump below 3,500, and pumps
>>>> less above 3,500, so it's not the hot setup if you want to run an open
>>> road
>>>> race at 5,000 RPM, but you can run two remote pumps in parallel and move
>>>> plenty of coolant.
>>>> 
>>>>    They have a great reputation and should be very good for anything
>>> less
>>>> than sustained high RPM.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken
>>>> 
>>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:29 PM
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Meziere water pumps
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone on this list installed a remote Meziere electric water pump with
>>>> their Ford 351C?
>>>> http://www.meziere.com
>>>> If so, what parts, part numbers did you use and how did you go about it?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>> &  Shelley Marie
>>>> Spokane, WA
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