[DeTomaso] Just the facts survey

Cullen McCann cmccann1972 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 29 18:25:04 EST 2012


Steve, Michael was decoding my vin for the discussion. My car is 3925. 
For clarification.

Cullen/ Oklahoma City

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hawkins [mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 5:22 PM
To: michael at michaelshortt.com; 'Cullen McCann'
Cc: 'Garth Rodericks'; 'DeTomaso Mail List'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Just the facts survey

Mine was built in September of 1972 and it's # 4449.  The month codes were
different for each year at least for 1971-1974.

Michael, yours would have been a July of 1972.

Steve


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To: Cullen McCann
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Just the facts survey


THPNMD03925

Looks to me like it was built (according to the serial number anyway ) in
November of 1972

Michael





On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:00 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:

> I found this on the other forum
>
> The early Panteras didn't have a 17 digit VIN, just 11 digits. I don't 
> know if there's an online copy, but the 1971/74 Pantera Chassis and 
> Body Master Parts Catalog FP-8085 April, 1975" contains the 
> information you're after. It can be purchased from Pantera
International<http://www.panteracars.com/books10.html>
>   - the orange book 2/3 of the way down the website
>
> I'm looking at my copy, and on page 6 it gives the following example: 
> THPNLS01859
>
> T - DeTomaso
> H - Assembled at Modena, Italy
> PN - Pantera
> L - 1971 (Calendar Year)
> S - July
> 01859 - 1859th unit built
>
> Page 9 covers the year codes...
>
> L - 1971
> M - 1972
> N - 1973
> P - 1974
>
> The month codes for 1974 are:
>
> C - September
> D - November
> E - December
> H - June
> J - May
> K - October
> L - January
> M - July
> P - August
> S - March
> T - April
> Y - February
>
> Hope this helps
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Cullen McCann
> <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hey Michael, ****
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>> ** **
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>> First, I was mistaken, I misrecalled my manufacturing date, think I 
>> confused it from another another project, my Marti report says July 
>> of 72. My entire serial is THPNMD03925. One of 107 in Silver, one of
>> 445 produced in July of 72. Pretty plain jane car I suppose.****
>>
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>> *From:* michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:52 PM
>> *To:* Cullen McCann
>> *Cc:* kermit at gabbagabbahey.net; Garth Rodericks; DeTomaso Mail List; 
>> Sean Korb
>> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Just the facts survey****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What is your whole Serial number, that has the month coded within
>> it.****
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>> Michael****
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>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Cullen McCann 
>> <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Agreed. Mine is titled as a 72 (3925) and is definitely a pre-L, with 
>> original Pre-L bumpers, which makes sense because this says Lusso's 
>> start at 4269.  But according to this my car is a 73. My Marti report 
>> states manufactured in September of 72. Hmmm..
>>
>> Well, its so rusty and rickety I think it has lost its original 
>> identity.
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>> On Behalf Of kermit at gabbagabbahey.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:43 PM
>> To: Garth Rodericks; DeTomaso Mail List; Sean Korb
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Just the facts survey
>>
>> Interesting. My car is titled as a 71, but according to this should 
>> be a 72.
>>
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Just the facts survey
>> > From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
>> > Date: Wed, February 29, 2012 4:24 pm
>> > To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at realbig.com>, Sean Korb 
>> > <spkorb at gmail.com>
>> >
>> >
>> > Pantera production numbers from George Pence on the PI Board: 
>> > http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2290052674/m/299004340
>> > 4
>> >
>> >
>> > The DeTomaso web site claims there were a total of 7260 Panteras
>> manufactured. My figures total 7082.
>> >
>> > Vignale coach
>> > 1971 model year (July 1970 - June 1971) chassis 1001 - 1791: 791 
>> > Ford Spec Pushbutton model:  382 (chassis 1001 - 1382) Ford Spec 
>> > Pre-L
>> > model:  409 (chassis 1383? - 1791)
>> >
>> > 1972 model year (July 1971 - June 1972) chassis 1792 - 3852: 2061 
>> > Ford Spec Pre-L European GTS
>> > GT4: 6
>> > Group 3: 2
>> > Group 4: 8
>> >
>> > 1973 model year (July 1972 - June 1973) chassis 3853 - 5899: 2047 
>> > Ford Spec Pre-L chassis 3853 - 4268: 416 Ford Spec L chassis 4269 -
>> > 5899 European GTS GT4
>> > Group 3: 9
>> >
>> > 1974 model year (July 1973 - June 1974) chassis 5900 - 7222: 1323 
>> > Ford Spec L Ford Spec GTS:  133 European GTS GT4 Group 3: 2
>> >
>> > 1975 model year (July 1974 - August 1974) chassis 7223 - 7380: 158 
>> > Ford Spec L Ford Spec GTS:  5 European GTS GT4 Group 3
>> >
>> > Post Ford (September 1974 - 1976) chassis 7381 - 7505?: 125 GTS GT4 
>> > Group 3: 5
>> >
>> > Maggiora coach
>> > (1977 - 1978) chassis 9001 - 9074?: 74 GTS
>> > GT4
>> > Group 3
>> >
>> > Embo coach
>> > (1979 - 1984) chassis 9101 - 9374: 274 GTS
>> > GT4
>> > GT5
>> > Group 3
>> >
>> > (1985 - 1990) chassis 9375 - 9562: 188
>> > GTS: 4
>> > GT5: 2
>> > GT5-S: 182
>> >
>> > (1990 - 1993) chassis 9601 - 9641: 41
>> > Si:  41
>> >
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