[DeTomaso] it wasn't that much fun

Kirby Schrader kirby.schrader at gmail.com
Sat Dec 1 18:24:41 EST 2012 

Well…..

Y'all need to put 285's on the front then!

:-)))

Kirby


On Dec 1, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

> Dear Michael and Jim,
> 
> 
>           FWIW, years ago when I bought my first set of seventeen inch
> wheels from Pantera Performance, I discussed tire selection with Dennis
> Quella.   It was his recommendation that the 315-35-17 was a better choice
> for handling than the 335-35-17.   I have been very happy with the handling
> of both cars using the 315s.  From what little I know, you are right that
> the 335s promote understeer by having such a big rear footprint compared to
> a front 245 or 255 foot print.
> 
> 
>                        Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:19 PM
> To: Pantdino; DeTomaso Forum
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] it wasn't that much fun
> 
> There is simply IMHO ( and in the shared experiences or other knowledgable
> drivers on the forum it seems ) the conclusion that 335's just Provide way
> too much of a footprint, depending upon compound ( i have used PZero, Kumho
> and Pilot Sports) - too much grip, less lateral movement and do add
> understeer to the car in a disproportionate ratio to be overcome by any
> reasonable size front rubber.
> There is simply too much back there to either 4 wheel drift/slide or point
> and stab your way around in the fastest manner possible.
> The 315/35 & 245/40 combo is vastly superior on my car with 17" wheels.
> But as I said in the first email, 335's IMHO do look much cooler on the car.
> And if I were going to have dedicated track car, I'd seriously explore 295's
> as a viable performance option.
> 
> Michael
> On Dec 1, 2012 4:35 PM, "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Michael,
>> Why do the 335's suck?
>> 
>> I would expect them to make the car understeer.  Is that what they did?
>> 
>> Jim Oddie
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> To: spkorb <spkorb at gmail.com>
>> Cc: List Pantera <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 11:13 am
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] it wasn't that much fun
>> 
>> I discovered that as well on my first time with it on a racetrack,
>> 335/35/17 looks cool on the street, they SUCK on the racetrack.
>> 
>> The 315/35/17's did much better on both the local road course tracks  
>> and on both visits to the Tail of the Dragon.
>> 
>> If I had a dedicated Pantera track car, I would try even smaller tires 
>> in the stock body config, may 295 even, I I were going to track it on 
>> a reg basis.
>> 
>> The car is fairly well balanced and wants to oversteer, but that can 
>> be easily countered with lots of right foot action as long as you have 
>> the horses to back it up.
>> 
>> When leaving the pits, on sandy, gritty pavement, a showy take off 
>> will about turn you sideways, so avoid those if at all possible.  ;-)
>> 
>> Having done the track thing with it, I think #1660 is retired from 
>> that experience again, until a new opportunity arises worthy of the risk.
>> 
>> What I need is a second Pantera....
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Shortt
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That's something I noticed about the Pantera shortly after getting 
>>> mine running.  It handles extrordinarily well at the limits of 
>>> adhesion.  It handles something awful over the limits of adhesion.  
>>> My
>>> '69 Mustang was a much better ice skater on its bias ply tieres, but 
>>> could never hope corner like a Pantera.
>>> 
>>> You can have it all, you just ahve to collect more cars to do it.
>>> 
>>> sean
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM, David in Durango 
>>> <adin at frontier.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> "A certain well-known Pantera owner and member of this forum 
>>>> burned
>>> himself
>>>> right into a ground-up restoration while doing a smoky exit from a
> club
>>>> meeting many years ago.   He disappeared from view in a spectacular,
>>>> tire-spinning fashion, and nobody saw the big bang as he then lost
>>> control, hit a
>>>> concrete barricade and completely destroyed the whole right side of
> the
>>>> car--sheetmetal, wheels, suspension, the lot.   He managed to then
> duck
>>> into a
>>>> parking lot and thus was out of view when the others went to see 
>>>> what
>>> made that
>>>> gawdaful sound! :>)
>>>> 
>>>> The repair bill could easily have paid for another complete Pantera.
>>>> 
>>>> That car has been back on the road for years, earning numerous 
>>>> concours
>>> and
>>>> car show awards and delivering many thousands of happy driving 
>>>> miles at
>>> the
>>>> same time.   He doesn't do burnouts anymore!
>>>> 
>>>> Point being, even though the story has a happy ending, I'm sure he
> didn't
>>>> want to go there, and you don't either.   Go buy a $2000 Mustang and
> do
>>>> burnouts to your heart's content. :>)"
>>>> 
>>>> I once asked "a certain well-known Pantera owner" why he painted 
>>>> his
>>> car.  The above was the answer!
>>>> 
>>>> Hahahaha
>>>> 
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