[DeTomaso] Mechanics of after marker suspension bushings?

[Tomas Gunnarsson]

Well, it was when we were ordering parts from the factory through Mats so
who knows. ;-)

Tomas

-----Original Message-----
From: Roland Jaeckel [mailto:pantera874 at t-online.de]
Sent: den 18 augusti 2012 19:15
To: Tomas Gunnarsson
Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mechanics of after marker suspension bushings?


Then, you didn't use factory bushings. They all are bonded to the sleeves.

Am 18.08.2012 um 18:59 schrieb "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>:

> The new factory bushings I used were not bonded to both sleeves.
>
> Tomas
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>  From: Pantdino [mailto:pantdino at aol.com]
>  Sent: den 18 augusti 2012 08:37
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>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mechanics of after marker suspension bushings?
>
>
>  Stock rubber bushings are supposed to be bonded to the inner and outer
> sleeves.  So, yes, you do have to tighten the bolt/nut at the normal ride
> height or the rubber will be under constant tension and thus fail sooner.
>
>
>  Aftermarket bushings are usually nylon, delrin, or some other kind of
> harder material and are NOT bonded to the metal sleeve(s).  This is
because
> that material will not stretch like rubber does and if there were no
motion
> between the sleeves and bushing material between them the suspension could
> not move. It has been too long since I did my bushings for me to remember
> where that motion occurs, but I installed Zerk fittings in the outer
sleeves
> so I could lube them when they started to squeak, so I would think at
least
> some of it must be between the bushing material and the outer sleeve.
>
>
>  Jim
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
>  To: David D Fisher <fisher95020 at yahoo.com>; Ken Green
> <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
>  Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:44 am
>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mechanics of after marker suspension bushings?
>
>
> I found that the rubber is not stuck to both the inside and outside tube
of
> the bushing. Initially they flex but if you make a 90 degree movement the
> bushing stays where you set it. So tightening at ride height is not really
> necessary IMO.
>
> Tomas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of David D Fisher
> Sent: den 16 augusti 2012 18:24
> To: Ken Green; Pantera List Serve
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mechanics of after marker suspension bushings?
>
>
> Ken,
>
> (For the stock bushings at least), the only suspension movement once the
> A-Arm bolts are tight comes from the flex in the rubber inside the
> bushing.   This is why you want to have the car on its wheels (at normal
> ride height) before tightening up the bushing bolts.     The bushings are
> pressed into the A-Arms and dont move, and the bolts clamp down on the
inner
> steel bush once you tighten them up.   Once that is done, the only thing
> that can move is the rubber flexing.
>
> I would imagine that the assumption in this design is that you dont expect
> to have a lot of suspension travel under normal use.
>
> David
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:48 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Mechanics of after marker suspension bushings?
>
> I took the suspension apart for powder coating and the control arms (A
arms)
> all have after marker bushings.  The control arms were pretty stuff and
took
> a fairly strong push to move up or down.  The bushings were very tight in
> the control arms so I assume they moved with the arms.  I'm wondering how
> all of this should work?  Should the control arms move freely with respect
> to the body or be stiff like this?
>
> Ken
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