[DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines

Fri Apr 20 14:47:42 EDT 2012

Do you have any further info on that baby Charles?

On 20/04/2012 11:40 AM, CharlesMcCall wrote:
> (nitpicking) it was actually a Maserati V6 he put in the Pantera. But it was only one.
>
> Engines that DeTomaso actually built include a bunch of V-12's that were destined for Deauvilles before the 351C won over. They were all crated up and sitting in the factory several years ago. A real, honest DeTomaso V-12 for the Pantera - that would be cool!
>
> Charles McCall
> Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe
> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera #9375
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of gow2 at rc-tech.net
> Sent: viernes, 20 de abril de 2012 20:26
> To: Corey Price
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines
>
> Detomaso built a V6......He built one...for good reason.
>
>> How about a new Ecoboost V6?  No weight savings when you consider the
>> turbos and all other stuff, but it has a ton of low end torque.
>>
>> Yeah, you lose the "vibration".
>>
>> Corey
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Dave Londry<davel at emspace.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> But would sound like a lawnmower convention.
>>>
>>> dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/04/2012 10:34 AM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
>>>> Since we are going out on limbs here...
>>>>
>>>> How about a three-rotor Wankel?  You know, the rotary put into most
>>>> Mazda RX models.  Add another rotor (they make kits for this).  That
>>>> would be sweet.  Add a turbo to it and you'd have an engine that would
>>>> rev to 10 grand easily and have enough power to push some interesting
>>>> limits.
>>>>
>>>> It wouldn't look like much though.
>>>>
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Will Kooiman<will.kooiman at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> I've even considered a Ford 2.3 Turbo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep - I said it.  A 4-cylinder in a Pantera.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 2.3 Turbo is a really cool and simple engine.  It can do 400+ HP
>>>>> without
>>>>> too much effort.  It is cheap, light, reliable, and strong.
>>>>>
>>>>> You lose the V8 thump-thump-thump, but you gain a nice whistle.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's also very small, so fitting it in the Pantera should be easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I decided to go non-351, my first choice would probably be a 347
>>>>> Boss.
>>>>> My second would likely be a 2.3T.  I'd love a 392 Hemi or 429/514
>>>>> Boss, but
>>>>> that's too much work for me right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Corey Price [mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:58 AM
>>>>> To: Will Kooiman; detomaso at list.realbig.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines
>>>>>
>>>>> 450+ hp and 400 lb-ft of torque for the Coyote...  Big improvement
>>>>> over that
>>>>> '98 Mustang.  People are reporting 400 rwhp in their Mustangs with
>>>>> simple
>>>>> bolt-ons and tuning.  Having driven a bunch of the new Mustangs, only
>>>>> the
>>>>> Pantera kept me away!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the coyote is ugly with all of the wiring and plastic shielding,
>>>>> but it
>>>>> can be made to look great. Google the SOHC-style valve covers...  My
>>>>> blog
>>>>> has a link to a Coyote engine in a Pantera.  Not too bad, and the guy
>>>>> put
>>>>> 180's on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Http://pantera1998.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> I love both the Coyote and the Cleveland, but am less of a fan of the
>>>>> other
>>>>> mod motors.  What would be really cool is an all aluminum version of
>>>>> the 6.2
>>>>> truck engine, like the Roush 777 concept... 7 liters, 700 hp @ 7k rpm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Corey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:10 AM, "Will Kooiman"<will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We talk about the beauty of the Pantera.  The engine is part of the
>>>>>> car.
>>>>> It
>>>>>> may as well look the part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought a 98 Mustang Cobra with the 32v 4.6.  It was pretty cool
>>>>>> having
>>>>> an
>>>>>> engine that would rev to the moon.  It was smooth too.  I sold it
>>>>>> because
>>>>> it
>>>>>> had no soul.  It felt like a Toyota.  A muscle car needs to feel like
>>>>>> it
>>>>> has
>>>>>> muscle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought I wanted a 4.6 DOHC in a Pantera, but I’ve been afraid of
>>>>>> having
>>>>>> another smooth running, Toyota-esque engine.  Plus, I think the rear
>>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>> engine is ugly.  If I did one, I’d have to do something with the
>>>>>> valve
>>>>>> covers to show the plugs-through-covers/hemi look.  I’d also have to
>>>>>> clean
>>>>>> up the sensors and such near the rear of the valley.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m probably being too hard on the looks of a 4.6.  They don’t look
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> bad.  I haven’t seen the rear of a Coyote 5.0, but it looks like it
>>>>>> has
>>>>> more
>>>>>> of a packaged EFI look.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder, so what I say is ugly,
>>>>>> someone
>>>>> else
>>>>>> might say is beauty.  I just don’t like a big complicated looking EFI
>>>>>> engine.  I like simplicity + muscle.  There isn’t much that says that
>>>>>> like
>>>>> a
>>>>>> Chrysler Hemi.  I like the look of the 429 Boss more, but it’s
>>>>>> getting to
>>>>>> that too-large-for-me size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   _____
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: cengles at cox.net [mailto:cengles at cox.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:57 AM
>>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; Will Kooiman; 'Thomas Tornblom'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Will,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh-oh. Now you've done it. You've steered the conversation into that
>>>>>> subjective morass of *engine aesthetics*!! Hunker down. The opinions
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> fly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very (tongue in cheek) concerned, Chuck Engles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---- Will Kooiman<will.kooiman at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>>> But it is ugly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would consider a Boss 302/347, a 392 Hemi or a Boss 429/514.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Thomas Tornblom
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:35 AM
>>>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally I would look hard at the Coyote Boss 302 crate engine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With a redline of 7500, it would solve the low gearing of my GT5
>>>>>>> also,
>>>>>>> and 444 bhp out of a modern fuel injected production engine would be
>>>>>>> good enough for me. It also seems like it would fit below the
>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2012-04-20 06:14, ParaPantera at aol.com skrev:
>>>>>>>> Personally, I think if you have the resources you should pony up to
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> those "New" MME Cleveland blocks, the list of reasons for a
>>>>>>>> replacement
>>>>>>>> block is getting long.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 4/19/2012 11:47:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>> kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> my engine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A 4 bolt replacement cap from Will fit well and the block was line
>>>>>>>> bored
>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>> Everything cleaned up except the block web on both sides where the
>>>>>>>> cap
>>>>>>>> mates with the block.
>>>>>>>> Driver's side is a little over .001".
>>>>>>>> Passenger side is .004".
>>>>>>>> 75% of the bearing surface is good... those areas aren't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My choices:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Run it like it is... (maybe in Granny's old Ford...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) Line bore it some more, but it'd have to go a long way
>>>>>>>> vertically to
>>>>>>>> make up .004 laterally... I don't think this is really an option.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3) Bore that main more and machine a spacer. (I was not aware of
>>>>>>>> this,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> apparently drag racers do this all the time? Comments?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4) Use my other block and start over. (Sigh...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I should know about the crankshaft condition Friday or Monday.
>>>>>>>> Getting
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> crack tested and checked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New question:
>>>>>>>> I had thought about this before, but dismissed it.
>>>>>>>> Asked two other people and they said no way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But. I'll ask again. How about side loading with lots of belts too
>>>>>>>> tight
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> one side?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have this scenario, but was wondering. Can you trash a main
>>>>>>> bearing
>>>>>>>> due to accessory belt load?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW,
>>>>>>>> Kirby
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