[DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines

Dave Londry davel at emspace.com
Fri Apr 20 13:54:41 EDT 2012


But would sound like a lawnmower convention.

dave


On 20/04/2012 10:34 AM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
> Since we are going out on limbs here...
>
> How about a three-rotor Wankel?  You know, the rotary put into most
> Mazda RX models.  Add another rotor (they make kits for this).  That
> would be sweet.  Add a turbo to it and you'd have an engine that would
> rev to 10 grand easily and have enough power to push some interesting
> limits.
>
> It wouldn't look like much though.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting Will Kooiman<will.kooiman at gmail.com>:
>
>> I've even considered a Ford 2.3 Turbo.
>>
>> Yep - I said it.  A 4-cylinder in a Pantera.
>>
>> The 2.3 Turbo is a really cool and simple engine.  It can do 400+ HP without
>> too much effort.  It is cheap, light, reliable, and strong.
>>
>> You lose the V8 thump-thump-thump, but you gain a nice whistle.
>>
>> It's also very small, so fitting it in the Pantera should be easy.
>>
>> If I decided to go non-351, my first choice would probably be a 347 Boss.
>> My second would likely be a 2.3T.  I'd love a 392 Hemi or 429/514 Boss, but
>> that's too much work for me right now.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Corey Price [mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:58 AM
>> To: Will Kooiman; detomaso at list.realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines
>>
>> 450+ hp and 400 lb-ft of torque for the Coyote...  Big improvement over that
>> '98 Mustang.  People are reporting 400 rwhp in their Mustangs with simple
>> bolt-ons and tuning.  Having driven a bunch of the new Mustangs, only the
>> Pantera kept me away!
>>
>> Yes, the coyote is ugly with all of the wiring and plastic shielding, but it
>> can be made to look great. Google the SOHC-style valve covers...  My blog
>> has a link to a Coyote engine in a Pantera.  Not too bad, and the guy put
>> 180's on it.
>>
>> Http://pantera1998.blogspot.com
>>
>> I love both the Coyote and the Cleveland, but am less of a fan of the other
>> mod motors.  What would be really cool is an all aluminum version of the 6.2
>> truck engine, like the Roush 777 concept... 7 liters, 700 hp @ 7k rpm.
>>
>> Corey
>>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:10 AM, "Will Kooiman"<will.kooiman at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> We talk about the beauty of the Pantera.  The engine is part of the car.
>> It
>>> may as well look the part.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I bought a 98 Mustang Cobra with the 32v 4.6.  It was pretty cool having
>> an
>>> engine that would rev to the moon.  It was smooth too.  I sold it because
>> it
>>> had no soul.  It felt like a Toyota.  A muscle car needs to feel like it
>> has
>>> muscle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought I wanted a 4.6 DOHC in a Pantera, but I’ve been afraid of having
>>> another smooth running, Toyota-esque engine.  Plus, I think the rear of
>> the
>>> engine is ugly.  If I did one, I’d have to do something with the valve
>>> covers to show the plugs-through-covers/hemi look.  I’d also have to clean
>>> up the sensors and such near the rear of the valley.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m probably being too hard on the looks of a 4.6.  They don’t look that
>>> bad.  I haven’t seen the rear of a Coyote 5.0, but it looks like it has
>> more
>>> of a packaged EFI look.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder, so what I say is ugly, someone
>> else
>>> might say is beauty.  I just don’t like a big complicated looking EFI
>>> engine.  I like simplicity + muscle.  There isn’t much that says that like
>> a
>>> Chrysler Hemi.  I like the look of the 429 Boss more, but it’s getting to
>>> that too-large-for-me size.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   _____
>>>
>>> From: cengles at cox.net [mailto:cengles at cox.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:57 AM
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; Will Kooiman; 'Thomas Tornblom'
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Will,
>>>
>>> Uh-oh. Now you've done it. You've steered the conversation into that
>>> subjective morass of *engine aesthetics*!! Hunker down. The opinions will
>>> fly.
>>>
>>> Very (tongue in cheek) concerned, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- Will Kooiman<will.kooiman at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> But it is ugly.
>>>>
>>>> I would consider a Boss 302/347, a 392 Hemi or a Boss 429/514.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Thomas Tornblom
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:35 AM
>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...
>>>>
>>>> Personally I would look hard at the Coyote Boss 302 crate engine.
>>>>
>>>> With a redline of 7500, it would solve the low gearing of my GT5 also,
>>>> and 444 bhp out of a modern fuel injected production engine would be
>>>> good enough for me. It also seems like it would fit below the screen.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>> 2012-04-20 06:14, ParaPantera at aol.com skrev:
>>>>> Personally, I think if you have the resources you should pony up to one
>>>> of
>>>>> those "New" MME Cleveland blocks, the list of reasons for a replacement
>>>>> block is getting long.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 4/19/2012 11:47:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>>>>> kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> my engine.
>>>>>
>>>>> A 4 bolt replacement cap from Will fit well and the block was line bored
>>>>> again.
>>>>> Everything cleaned up except the block web on both sides where the cap
>>>>> mates with the block.
>>>>> Driver's side is a little over .001".
>>>>> Passenger side is .004".
>>>>> 75% of the bearing surface is good... those areas aren't.
>>>>>
>>>>> My choices:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Run it like it is... (maybe in Granny's old Ford...)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Line bore it some more, but it'd have to go a long way vertically to
>>>>> make up .004 laterally... I don't think this is really an option.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Bore that main more and machine a spacer. (I was not aware of this,
>>>> but
>>>>> apparently drag racers do this all the time? Comments?)
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Use my other block and start over. (Sigh...)
>>>>>
>>>>> I should know about the crankshaft condition Friday or Monday. Getting
>>>> it
>>>>> crack tested and checked.
>>>>>
>>>>> New question:
>>>>> I had thought about this before, but dismissed it.
>>>>> Asked two other people and they said no way.
>>>>>
>>>>> But. I'll ask again. How about side loading with lots of belts too tight
>>>> on
>>>>> one side?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have this scenario, but was wondering. Can you trash a main
>>>> bearing
>>>>> due to accessory belt load?
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW,
>>>>> Kirby
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