[DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines

Fri Apr 20 13:35:04 EDT 2012

That's funny.

A guy here at work has a 3rd Gen RX7 and his Wankel is shot.
He is considering putting an LS1 in it.
http://www.grannysspeedshop.com/

FWIW,
Kirby

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:34, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

> Since we are going out on limbs here...
>
> How about a three-rotor Wankel?  You know, the rotary put into most
> Mazda RX models.  Add another rotor (they make kits for this).  That
> would be sweet.  Add a turbo to it and you'd have an engine that would
> rev to 10 grand easily and have enough power to push some interesting
> limits.
>
> It wouldn't look like much though.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>:
>
> > I've even considered a Ford 2.3 Turbo.
> >
> > Yep - I said it.  A 4-cylinder in a Pantera.
> >
> > The 2.3 Turbo is a really cool and simple engine.  It can do 400+ HP
> without
> > too much effort.  It is cheap, light, reliable, and strong.
> >
> > You lose the V8 thump-thump-thump, but you gain a nice whistle.
> >
> > It's also very small, so fitting it in the Pantera should be easy.
> >
> > If I decided to go non-351, my first choice would probably be a 347 Boss.
> > My second would likely be a 2.3T.  I'd love a 392 Hemi or 429/514 Boss,
> but
> > that's too much work for me right now.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Corey Price [mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:58 AM
> > To: Will Kooiman; detomaso at list.realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines
> >
> > 450+ hp and 400 lb-ft of torque for the Coyote...  Big improvement over
> that
> > '98 Mustang.  People are reporting 400 rwhp in their Mustangs with simple
> > bolt-ons and tuning.  Having driven a bunch of the new Mustangs, only the
> > Pantera kept me away!
> >
> > Yes, the coyote is ugly with all of the wiring and plastic shielding,
> but it
> > can be made to look great. Google the SOHC-style valve covers...  My blog
> > has a link to a Coyote engine in a Pantera.  Not too bad, and the guy put
> > 180's on it.
> >
> > Http://pantera1998.blogspot.com
> >
> > I love both the Coyote and the Cleveland, but am less of a fan of the
> other
> > mod motors.  What would be really cool is an all aluminum version of the
> 6.2
> > truck engine, like the Roush 777 concept... 7 liters, 700 hp @ 7k rpm.
> >
> > Corey
> >
> >
> > On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:10 AM, "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> We talk about the beauty of the Pantera.  The engine is part of the car.
> > It
> >> may as well look the part.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I bought a 98 Mustang Cobra with the 32v 4.6.  It was pretty cool having
> > an
> >> engine that would rev to the moon.  It was smooth too.  I sold it
> because
> > it
> >> had no soul.  It felt like a Toyota.  A muscle car needs to feel like it
> > has
> >> muscle.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I thought I wanted a 4.6 DOHC in a Pantera, but I’ve been afraid of
> having
> >> another smooth running, Toyota-esque engine.  Plus, I think the rear of
> > the
> >> engine is ugly.  If I did one, I’d have to do something with the valve
> >> covers to show the plugs-through-covers/hemi look.  I’d also have to
> clean
> >> up the sensors and such near the rear of the valley.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I’m probably being too hard on the looks of a 4.6.  They don’t look that
> >> bad.  I haven’t seen the rear of a Coyote 5.0, but it looks like it has
> > more
> >> of a packaged EFI look.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder, so what I say is ugly, someone
> > else
> >> might say is beauty.  I just don’t like a big complicated looking EFI
> >> engine.  I like simplicity + muscle.  There isn’t much that says that
> like
> > a
> >> Chrysler Hemi.  I like the look of the 429 Boss more, but it’s getting
> to
> >> that too-large-for-me size.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  _____
> >>
> >> From: cengles at cox.net [mailto:cengles at cox.net]
> >> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:57 AM
> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com; Will Kooiman; 'Thomas Tornblom'
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Will,
> >>
> >> Uh-oh. Now you've done it. You've steered the conversation into that
> >> subjective morass of *engine aesthetics*!! Hunker down. The opinions
> will
> >> fly.
> >>
> >> Very (tongue in cheek) concerned, Chuck Engles
> >>
> >>
> >> ---- Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> But it is ugly.
> >>>
> >>> I would consider a Boss 302/347, a 392 Hemi or a Boss 429/514.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:
> detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> >> On
> >>> Behalf Of Thomas Tornblom
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:35 AM
> >>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...
> >>>
> >>> Personally I would look hard at the Coyote Boss 302 crate engine.
> >>>
> >>> With a redline of 7500, it would solve the low gearing of my GT5 also,
> >>> and 444 bhp out of a modern fuel injected production engine would be
> >>> good enough for me. It also seems like it would fit below the screen.
> >>>
> >>> Thomas
> >>>
> >>> 2012-04-20 06:14, ParaPantera at aol.com skrev:
> >>>> Personally, I think if you have the resources you should pony up to
> one
> >>> of
> >>>> those "New" MME Cleveland blocks, the list of reasons for a
> replacement
> >>>> block is getting long.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In a message dated 4/19/2012 11:47:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >>>> kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> my engine.
> >>>>
> >>>> A 4 bolt replacement cap from Will fit well and the block was line
> bored
> >>>> again.
> >>>> Everything cleaned up except the block web on both sides where the cap
> >>>> mates with the block.
> >>>> Driver's side is a little over .001".
> >>>> Passenger side is .004".
> >>>> 75% of the bearing surface is good... those areas aren't.
> >>>>
> >>>> My choices:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) Run it like it is... (maybe in Granny's old Ford...)
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) Line bore it some more, but it'd have to go a long way vertically
> to
> >>>> make up .004 laterally... I don't think this is really an option.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) Bore that main more and machine a spacer. (I was not aware of this,
> >>> but
> >>>> apparently drag racers do this all the time? Comments?)
> >>>>
> >>>> 4) Use my other block and start over. (Sigh...)
> >>>>
> >>>> I should know about the crankshaft condition Friday or Monday. Getting
> >>> it
> >>>> crack tested and checked.
> >>>>
> >>>> New question:
> >>>> I had thought about this before, but dismissed it.
> >>>> Asked two other people and they said no way.
> >>>>
> >>>> But. I'll ask again. How about side loading with lots of belts too
> tight
> >>> on
> >>>> one side?
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't have this scenario, but was wondering. Can you trash a main
> >>> bearing
> >>>> due to accessory belt load?
> >>>>
> >>>> FWIW,
> >>>> Kirby
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