[DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines

Will Kooiman will.kooiman at gmail.com
Fri Apr 20 13:25:58 EDT 2012 

I've even considered a Ford 2.3 Turbo.

Yep - I said it.  A 4-cylinder in a Pantera.

The 2.3 Turbo is a really cool and simple engine.  It can do 400+ HP without
too much effort.  It is cheap, light, reliable, and strong.

You lose the V8 thump-thump-thump, but you gain a nice whistle.

It's also very small, so fitting it in the Pantera should be easy.

If I decided to go non-351, my first choice would probably be a 347 Boss.
My second would likely be a 2.3T.  I'd love a 392 Hemi or 429/514 Boss, but
that's too much work for me right now.

-----Original Message-----
From: Corey Price [mailto:coreyjprice at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:58 AM
To: Will Kooiman; detomaso at list.realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines

450+ hp and 400 lb-ft of torque for the Coyote...  Big improvement over that
'98 Mustang.  People are reporting 400 rwhp in their Mustangs with simple
bolt-ons and tuning.  Having driven a bunch of the new Mustangs, only the
Pantera kept me away!

Yes, the coyote is ugly with all of the wiring and plastic shielding, but it
can be made to look great. Google the SOHC-style valve covers...  My blog
has a link to a Coyote engine in a Pantera.  Not too bad, and the guy put
180's on it.

Http://pantera1998.blogspot.com

I love both the Coyote and the Cleveland, but am less of a fan of the other
mod motors.  What would be really cool is an all aluminum version of the 6.2
truck engine, like the Roush 777 concept... 7 liters, 700 hp @ 7k rpm.  

Corey


On Apr 20, 2012, at 9:10 AM, "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:

> We talk about the beauty of the Pantera.  The engine is part of the car.
It
> may as well look the part.
> 
> 
> 
> I bought a 98 Mustang Cobra with the 32v 4.6.  It was pretty cool having
an
> engine that would rev to the moon.  It was smooth too.  I sold it because
it
> had no soul.  It felt like a Toyota.  A muscle car needs to feel like it
has
> muscle.
> 
> 
> 
> I thought I wanted a 4.6 DOHC in a Pantera, but I’ve been afraid of having
> another smooth running, Toyota-esque engine.  Plus, I think the rear of
the
> engine is ugly.  If I did one, I’d have to do something with the valve
> covers to show the plugs-through-covers/hemi look.  I’d also have to clean
> up the sensors and such near the rear of the valley.
> 
> 
> 
> I’m probably being too hard on the looks of a 4.6.  They don’t look that
> bad.  I haven’t seen the rear of a Coyote 5.0, but it looks like it has
more
> of a packaged EFI look.
> 
> 
> 
> Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder, so what I say is ugly, someone
else
> might say is beauty.  I just don’t like a big complicated looking EFI
> engine.  I like simplicity + muscle.  There isn’t much that says that like
a
> Chrysler Hemi.  I like the look of the 429 Boss more, but it’s getting to
> that too-large-for-me size.
> 
> 
> 
>  _____  
> 
> From: cengles at cox.net [mailto:cengles at cox.net] 
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:57 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com; Will Kooiman; 'Thomas Tornblom'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...tasteful engines
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Will, 
> 
> Uh-oh. Now you've done it. You've steered the conversation into that
> subjective morass of *engine aesthetics*!! Hunker down. The opinions will
> fly. 
> 
> Very (tongue in cheek) concerned, Chuck Engles 
> 
> 
> ---- Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But it is ugly.
>> 
>> I would consider a Boss 302/347, a 392 Hemi or a Boss 429/514.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
>> Behalf Of Thomas Tornblom
>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:35 AM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The continuing saga of...
>> 
>> Personally I would look hard at the Coyote Boss 302 crate engine.
>> 
>> With a redline of 7500, it would solve the low gearing of my GT5 also,
>> and 444 bhp out of a modern fuel injected production engine would be
>> good enough for me. It also seems like it would fit below the screen.
>> 
>> Thomas
>> 
>> 2012-04-20 06:14, ParaPantera at aol.com skrev:
>>> Personally, I think if you have the resources you should pony up to one
>> of
>>> those "New" MME Cleveland blocks, the list of reasons for a replacement
>>> block is getting long.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 4/19/2012 11:47:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> kirby.schrader at gmail.com writes:
>>> 
>>> my engine.
>>> 
>>> A 4 bolt replacement cap from Will fit well and the block was line bored
>>> again.
>>> Everything cleaned up except the block web on both sides where the cap
>>> mates with the block.
>>> Driver's side is a little over .001".
>>> Passenger side is .004".
>>> 75% of the bearing surface is good... those areas aren't.
>>> 
>>> My choices:
>>> 
>>> 1) Run it like it is... (maybe in Granny's old Ford...)
>>> 
>>> 2) Line bore it some more, but it'd have to go a long way vertically to
>>> make up .004 laterally... I don't think this is really an option.
>>> 
>>> 3) Bore that main more and machine a spacer. (I was not aware of this,
>> but
>>> apparently drag racers do this all the time? Comments?)
>>> 
>>> 4) Use my other block and start over. (Sigh...)
>>> 
>>> I should know about the crankshaft condition Friday or Monday. Getting
>> it
>>> crack tested and checked.
>>> 
>>> New question:
>>> I had thought about this before, but dismissed it.
>>> Asked two other people and they said no way.
>>> 
>>> But. I'll ask again. How about side loading with lots of belts too tight
>> on
>>> one side?
>>> 
>>> I don't have this scenario, but was wondering. Can you trash a main
>> bearing
>>> due to accessory belt load?
>>> 
>>> FWIW,
>>> Kirby
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