[DeTomaso] This ought to be fun...

Tue Apr 17 20:11:41 EDT 2012

Great history!  Great pics!!Great son-story!!!

> From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:15:45 -0500
> To: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> CC: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] This ought to be fun...
> 
> 
> Ah, well.... I haven't... had a bearing spin in a red Pantera.
> 
> But when I sold my first Pantera in Aberdeen (it was red) back in 1988, the guy that bought it blew the engine big time.
> Rod through the side, etc. etc.
> Claimed it was a bad main bearing and I should have known about it.
> 
> Uhhh.... Hey... You rode in the car and drove it! 
> 
> He ended up getting a new engine in it.
> 
> And then it went to waste.... Sitting in a barn.
> 
> Thanks to Mike Drew's help, I did find out that 238 HOT is still out there.
> The guy said he was restoring it, but I haven't heard from him in years.
> 
> Thread drifting here, but pictures of it in the mid 80's are here.
> http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/pantera/238hot/238hot.html
> 
> My son, now going on 30... is 3 years old in that picture.
> :-)
> I really do need to update my website... Starting to show its fangs.
> 
> FWIW,
> Kirby
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> 
> > I know (about the hole plugging).  I’m really stretching it.  I just can’t come up with any other explanation.
> >  
> > Improper machining (unlikely)
> > Bearing insert upside down (unlikely)
> > Bent crank (unlikely)
> > Oil pressure lifting the bearing (unlikely)
> > #1 main not torqued (you would have said something)
> >  
> > I are definitely not an authority on the matter.  I’m just telling you everything I can think of.
> >  
> > Have you ever had a bearing spin in a red Pantera?
> >  
> > From: Kirby Schrader [mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:39 PM
> > To: Will Kooiman
> > Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] This ought to be fun...
> >  
> > We'll see what he finds. Just talked to him and he hasn't had a chance to get to it yet.
> > It's racing season, ya' know...
> >  
> > The crankshaft will get crack tested when it is turned.
> >  
> > I have never ever had that hole plugged... and I wasn't running  oil pressure that high...
> > Hell, the first engine I had in the car from 1985 until 1998 would peg the oil pressure gauge at 100psi for the first few minutes until it would warm up. 
> > This is the first main bearing I've ever had go in a Cleveland.
> >  
> > Kirby
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 14:56, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If the 4-bolt mains don't work out, they should give you a discount putting
> > bushings in your other block.  Part of the charge on this block was for them
> > to buy the tooling.
> > 
> > But let's don't get ahead of ourselves. There's a good chance these mains
> > will work.
> > 
> > I'm still at a loss why #1 would spin.  The only thing I can come up with
> > (aside from being installed upside down) is that the oil pressure tries to
> > lift the #1 main.  If you take a look at the size of the oiling holes, they
> > are huge. The bearing covers most of the hole, but that still leaves a fair
> > amount of surface area for the oil to push on - trying to lift the insert.
> > 
> > I have seen oiling mod recommendations to plug the large hole (probably with
> > a smaller hole drilled in the plug).  I don't remember the exact steps.
> > They are on the network54 site.
> > 
> > But I still don't understand why it happened when 99% of the 351C's on the
> > road do not plug the large hole.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> > Behalf Of MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:44 PM
> > To: daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] This ought to be fun...
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated 4/17/12 12 11 29, daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > Still a 2 bolt main block?  With a solid roller cam and the way you use
> > > it,
> > > it should be converted to 4 bolt mains.  Is there any evidence of cap
> > > walk?
> > > I'd be installing something like the Bessel main caps if I were you.
> > >
> > 
> > At a minimum, since some enormously kind Texan people (isn't that
> > redundant?) are offering you free four-bolt main caps, you should have the
> > block
> > converted to accept them.
> > 
> > Mike
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