[DeTomaso] Oil Restrictors Question
Justin Greisberg
justingreisberg at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 12 07:16:04 EDT 2012
Search the network54 forum. I forget and don't have my notes but there is a trick there.
On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:04 PM, sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Why do you have to tap the hole so far down between the crank and cam bearing? Does the restrictor have to be in the middle of the two?
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> From: justingreisberg at hotmail.com
> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com; will.kooiman at gmail.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Restrictors Question
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:43:45 -0700
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> if he means the external line running from the oil passage above the oil filter to the back of the block, then the modern consensus is to skip that
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> yes, I am pretty sure I did the restrictors on the 2-5 mains.
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> tappig the passage between crank and cam bearing was quite a project - hard to find the right length tap. And then my made-in-china tap snapped in half and got stuck in the block!!! Made for an interesting night. I got a special tool that is like a reverse drill that spun into the center of the tap and backed it out
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> From: seanmundy at hotmail.com
> To: will.kooiman at gmail.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com; justingreisberg at hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Restrictors Question
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:06:26 -0700
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> This is starting to make some sense now. Moroso kit on the 2-5 mains only and fit a restrictor in the crank/cam bearing oil passage.
> I also gleaned some of that from the network54 forum. To confuse the matter some more though,
> another option the engine builder mentioned was a crossover modification.
> I pretended I knew what he was talking about
> From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Restrictors Question
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:39:46 -0500
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> In that case, I’d just do the pan.
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> If you want to step it up, do the Moroso restrictors on 2-5 mains, but don’t do the big restrictor to the lifters. It is supposed to be for solid lifter engines only.
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> You’ll be fine.
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> My car was 100% stock, aside from the intake/carb/distributor/headers. Okay, it was mostly stock. Oiling-wise, it was 100% stock.
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> It didn’t explode, but I could watch the oil pressure drop on long sweeping turns. After I installed a large baffled pan, the pressure was rock solid. I like mods where you see the improvement right away. With the new pan, it was a night/day improvement.
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> I beat on my car too.
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> More important than oiling mods is replacing the crappy timing chain. The plastic falls off the cam gear and plugs things that aren’t supposed to be plugged. A metal non-roller non-plastic-coated timing chain set is $29. A full roller is about $150, I think. It has been a while since I’ve looked. Regardless, they are too cheap to skip.
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> From: sean mundy [mailto:seanmundy at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: will.kooiman at gmail.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Restrictors Question
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> I don't plan on seeing a whole lot of any track time.
> I bought my Armando pan mainly because of
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> reading this forum and the oiling issues with the Cleveland.
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> This next engine will be a VERY large investment for me and
> I don't want to screw it up!
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> From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Restrictors Question
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:54:16 -0500
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> Just remember that most of the network54 guys are drag racers. They beat their cars pretty hard.
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> You could argue that we beat ours harder on the track, since we’re on the gas for longer periods, plus we combine high rpms with cornering.
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> But that’s assuming you beat yours on the track. If you are mostly on the street, a proper pan should be plenty.
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> From: sean mundy [mailto:seanmundy at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:37 PM
> To: will.kooiman at gmail.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Restrictors Question
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> Will, I have the baffled oil pan already so thats one requirement down.
> I read your posts on network54. Lots of information there!
> Most concerns I read there seems to revolve around restricting oil to hydro lifters but my
> mind started to melt after trying to get past that item.
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> > From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> > To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; seanmundy at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Restrictors Question
> > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:57:50 -0500
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> > You have to decide who you want to trust. That's the problem. We can't
> > tell you.
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> > 1. If you have a roller cam, you need to make sure the oil port doesn't
> > come out of the lifter bore. Otherwise, you'll have a loss of oil pressure
> > at full lift.
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> > 2. I like the Moroso restrictors, but I don't think they are mandatory.
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> > 3. A proper baffled pan is a requirement.
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> > 4. I like the front to back oiling line, but I don't consider it mandatory.
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> > 5. I did a mod described on the network54 forum where you put a restrictor
> > in the #1 cam journal by tapping from the cam down. You put a plug in the
> > crank journal side. I can't describe it here. There's a picture that helps
> > a lot. This mod is not required.
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> > 6. Install the cam bearing as far forward as possible. Installing it far
> > forward keeps it from leaking a lot of pressure onto the cam gear. This mod
> > is not required.
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> > 7. There is a mod where you drill a hole in a plug to provide a steady
> > stream of oil onto the distributor gear. I did not do this mod, but I think
> > it is a good one.
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> > 8. Some people use grooved bearings for top and bottom on the crank or
> > something like that. It is supposed to help.
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> > 9. Some bush the lifter bores. This is probably worthwhile, especially if
> > you have a roller cam. I don't consider it mandatory, though.
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> > So, the only mod that is really required is a proper baffled pan - in my
> > opinion.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> > Behalf Of Ken Green
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:48 PM
> > To: sean mundy; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Restrictors Question
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> > As a more direct approach, if someone has a Cleveland with the pan off, just
> > measure the distance from where the tube enters the block to the lowest
> > point of the crank throws and compare that to the corresponding dimension of
> > the dip stick and tube?
> >
> > Ken
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> > From: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:30 PM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Restrictors Question
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> > This has got to be the most confusing topic I've run into in my quest to
> > build a 408c.
> > After spending many hours on various forums I am totally befuddled by the
> > massive amounts of conflicting and differing recommendations.
> > I could blow up the engine with them, or without them. At this point I wish
> > I had never heard about oil restrictors!!!!
> > The plan for my 408 was to use roller cam/lifters/rockers.
> > I'm sure many of you have run into the same dilemma.
> > Whom do you trust or believe?
> > Thanks, Sean
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