[DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil

Garth Rodericks garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 11 15:35:17 EDT 2012


Correct oil level is relative to crank position and how deep the dipstick 
protrudes into the pan, which doesn't change regardless of your oil pan 
size, shape or capacity.

But here's how to find correct 'full' on your dipstick according to John Schwarz at Aviad:

Aviad & Armando Oil Pan Capacity
Source: http://www.realbig.com/pipermail/detomaso/2007-November/091125.html
 
To settle it for all of you that have bought an Armando pan,
when AVIAID designed that pan the static oil capacity of the pan was set at
9qt.   That fills the pan to the
underside of the hard tray that is bolted in on top of the pickup box assembly
in the pan.   Our instructions for actual
capacity determination are to fill an empty pan, installed on the engine in a
car sitting on flat ground, with 8qts. of oil. Mark your dipstick. Add one
additional quart, and mark the stick again.   This is full. The first mark is the low mark. This should be only about
3/8" given the sump area of the pan.
 
Start the engine, letting oil circulate and fill the engine,
filter and any cooler or lines that may be part of the system. Shut the engine
off, and add back to the top mark. This will be system capacity.
 
Depending on engine and operating conditions the ideal level
can vary. Ideal oil level is a point between fluctuating oil pressure and
excess carry over of oil out of the engine venting system.   If the engine tends to trap oil up in the
engine, it will like an extra 1/2 quart.   If the engine returns oil well, it might like 1/2 quart low.   Experience will tell.
 
John Schwarz
AVIAID Oil Systems
10041 Canoga Avenue
Chatsworth CA 91311-3004
00 1 818 998 8991 phone
00 1 818 998 8993 fax
aviaid at aol.com emailaviaid.com
web


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 From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
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Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil
 

 
I have a (supposedly) 10-quart after-market pan, so the normal amount isn't normal!



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Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:28:29 -0500

 
Why don't you just drain the oil, put 5 (or 5.5 quarts if you want) back in and mark you dipstick.

Michael Frazier
Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa 

 

> From: chrisvkimball at msn.com
> To: boyd411 at gmail.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 07:52:00 -0700
> CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil
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> OK, this is really weird; although I can't reach down to the block at the moment to measure the full length of the tube, the distance between the top end of my tube and the leading edge (the one closest to the end of the tube) of my bracket is only 2.5".
> I can't believe there's an entire 1.25" of too-shortness! That could mean I've been driving around with around two quarts too little.
> Would a couple more of you measure your bracket-to-end distances for me, just so I know it isn't one of those "hand-made so they're all different" situations?
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> Chris
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> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:36:18 -0400
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil
> From: boyd411 at gmail.com
> To: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
> CC: chrisvkimball at msn.com; mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
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> How many quarts is a Cleveland (with a stock pan) supposed to take?
> Boyd
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> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Stock 351C dipstick tube measures...
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> - 26" from end of tube to where it enters the block (plus or minus a sixteenth as my steel tape didn't like bending around the radius, but it's close enough )
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> - 3.375" from end of tube to rear edge of support bracket that bolts to valve cover bolt
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> No, I have a Cleveland block, it's been bored and stroked to 408 with a bunch of new stuff inside, but I remember the builder using my original dipstick and tube from the original Cleveland block.
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> I had kind of a "D'oh" moment a minute ago--all someone has to do is measure from the tube opening (where the dipstick enters) to the front edge of the bar that is welded a few inches down the tube (the bar is bolted to the block and stabilizes the dipstick tube). Since the end of my dipstick tube was shortened, all I have to know is the correct distance between the end of the tube and the leading edge of the bar, and it will reveal how short my tube is (this has now moved into the "how can anyone resiste that joke" territory...!)
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> Anyone want to run out into their garage and take that measurement for me?
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> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil
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> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com
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> In a message dated 4/10/12 17 24 24, chrisvkimball at msn.com writes:
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> Do you know how long the dipstick tube should be from the top to the point where it enters the block?
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> >>>Don't forget you have a 408 Windsor (right?)--everything is different from a 351C....
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