[DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil

Christopher Kimball chrisvkimball at msn.com
Wed Apr 11 13:48:21 EDT 2012 

That's exactly it--I have a 10-quart Armondo pan, which makes things a bit difficult.
I know my persistent oil-burning problem wasn't due to overfill, because it was limited to only one side, and specifically, one cylinder.  Now that my mechanic fixed the awful gasket, the car seems to run smoke-free!
Sincerely,
Chris

> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:52:15 -0700
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil
> 
> So we had a problem with a local GTS that smoked a lot of blue out the  
> exhaust.  He had a stock pan on the 351C.  He thought he had a 10 qt.  
> pan because it always took about 8 quarts to reach the dipstick.
> 
> I came over, inspected the pan and found it was a stock pan.  We  
> drained the oil.  After letting it sit for a long period draining, we  
> put the plug back in and filled.
> 
> We initially put 5 quarts in.  Started the car, let it warm up and  
> stopped.  We then added another half quart.
> 
> We then cut the dipstick tube until the mark on the dipstick showed  
> the proper oil level.
> 
> The fact was, in this case, the owner purchased a new tube from a  
> vendor and didn't pay attention to the instruction that the tube may  
> have to be shortened.  Once we did that procedure, the engine stopped  
> smoking, and the tires started.  He was a very happy camper.
> 
> In your case Chris, might I postulate that if you have stock pan and  
> at six quarts your dipstick is showing way overfull, that your tube  
> has been shortened too much.  The proper oil level should be in the  
> hash mark area near the full mark.  If it's -way- over that at six  
> quarts, you may need a new tube, or you may need to shorten you  
> dipstick.
> 
> If you have 10 qt pan or some other non-stock pan.... all bets are off.
> 
> Asa Jay
> 
> Quoting Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>:
> 
> >
> > OK, this is really weird;  although I can't reach down to the block   
> > at the moment to measure the full length of the tube, the distance   
> > between the top end of my tube and the leading edge (the one closest  
> >  to the end of the tube) of my bracket is only 2.5".
> > I can't believe there's an entire 1.25" of too-shortness!  That   
> > could mean I've been driving around with around two quarts too little.
> > Would a couple more of you measure your bracket-to-end distances for  
> >  me, just so I know it isn't one of those "hand-made so they're all   
> > different" situations?
> > Much appreciated,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:36:18 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil
> > From: boyd411 at gmail.com
> > To: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
> > CC: chrisvkimball at msn.com; mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >
> > How many quarts is a Cleveland (with a stock pan) supposed to take?
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Garth Rodericks   
> > <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Stock 351C dipstick tube measures...
> >
> >  - 26" from end of tube to where it enters the block (plus or minus   
> > a sixteenth as my steel tape didn't like bending around the radius,   
> > but it's close enough )
> >
> >
> >
> >  - 3.375" from end of tube to rear edge of support bracket that   
> > bolts to valve cover bolt
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Garth
> >
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> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >  From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> >
> > To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com;   
> > Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> >
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:51 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil
> >
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> > No, I have a Cleveland block, it's been bored and stroked to 408   
> > with a bunch of new stuff inside, but I remember the builder using   
> > my original dipstick and tube from the original Cleveland block.
> >
> >
> >
> > I had kind of a "D'oh" moment a minute ago--all someone has to do is  
> >  measure from the tube opening (where the dipstick enters) to the   
> > front edge of the bar that is welded a few inches down the tube (the  
> >  bar is bolted to the block and stabilizes the dipstick tube).   
> > Since  the end of my dipstick tube was shortened, all I have to know  
> > is the  correct distance between the end of the tube and the leading  
> > edge of  the bar, and it will reveal how short my tube is (this has  
> > now moved  into the "how can anyone resiste that joke" territory...!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone want to run out into their garage and take that measurement for me?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks a million,
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris
> >
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> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >
> > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 00:36:40 -0400
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] really dumb question about oil
> >
> > To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; garth_rodericks at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >
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> >
> > In a message dated 4/10/12 17 24 24, chrisvkimball at msn.com writes:
> >
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> > Do you know how long the dipstick tube should be from the top to the  
> >  point where it enters the block?
> >
> >>
> >
> >>>> Don't forget you have a 408 Windsor (right?)--everything is   
> >>>> different from a 351C....
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
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