[DeTomaso] unions?

Bill Moore Bill at Incendium.com
Sun Oct 30 22:33:42 EDT 2011


WOW, some guys don't get it, some never will. Michael, I don't need (yet)
the type of product your co. provides, but if and when...., I will get it
from you. Why, small. business, Pantera community, free enterprise, god it's
so easy, you get what you earn, (key word "earn"). My 1st toy ever was my
Golf Club membership, 2nd toy, my Pantera '6480', both paid for by my own
after tax dollars, from my own small business, sixteen years ago "they" said
I wouldn't last 6 months. OK my rant is over, I'm just glad I was able to
pay $127.9/L for Shell 91 octane (no ethanol) and drive it again before
winter

Bill Moore, happy in Alberta.


-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Lewis
Sent: October-30-11 8:03 PM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] unions?


Michael, I knew I liked you, now I know why!  In 1970, I sold two 1953
Corvettes (look at them on eBay) for $1,500.00 to open our first business.
Another for instance:  we had a driving school - I was the lead instructor
at first.  Seven days a week!  On sundays, I would be across town and drive
two students, be back home in time for church, then back across town to
teach 6 more students.  For instance!  Dude, we have earned our right!
---Bill (and, yep, they got hugged and kissed) Lewis



> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:54:34 -0700
> From: sedond at yahoo.com
> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] unions?
> 
> michael, i commend you.  seriously.  job well done.
> 
> best,
> 
> doug s.,
> #2602
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >________________________________
> >From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >To: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> >Cc: "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>; GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> >Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:53 PM
> >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] unions?
> >
> >
> >I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT  OF THE SELF EMPLOYED DREAMLAND FOR THE LAST 22
YEARS.  I live by my wits and do not depend upon anyone else or any
government funding.  
> >Anybody who is unhappy should try it if they have the backbone.  I
started out
> >Broke, freshly divorced and an outsider in a established good ole boy
city. 
> >My only remaining credit card was from Sears, I bought a 699.00 fax
machine and made a desk out of a old door.
> >Boo hoo for whiners and folks who want it delivered on a silver platter.
> >If THE MAN ain't making you happy, be gone.
> >Michael
> >
> >On Oct 30, 2011 8:27 PM, "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >unfortunately the govt is still encouraging corporations, banks and
financial companies to off-shore their work, and prowiding them w/taxpayer
funded welfare - they make money when they make money, and they get money
from taxpayers when they lose money.  i certainly didn't get my wish.  i
will get my wish when govt encourages corporations to manufacture good here,
by dis-incentivizing them to go off-shore.  and i will get my wish when they
go out of business when they fail in the market place, instead of being
subsidized by taxpayer money.  the prosperity is gone not cuz the companies
are gone, but cuz they sent it all off-shore. w/the govt letting them do it,
thanks to the corporations & banks owning the govt.  corporate american is
BOOMING today; they are ROLLING in money.  the financial institutions that
were bailed out w/govt  taxpayer money are also BOOMING!  not sure what
dreamland you are living in...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>doug s.,
> >>#2602
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>________________________________
> >>>From: GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> >>>To: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> >>>Cc: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>;
"detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> >>>Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:01 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] unions?
> >>>
> >>>You got your wish!!! Many are gone for good. Not just the jobs but the
prosperity too!
> >>>
> >>>doug sedon wrote:
> >>>> somebody needs to bring the corporations to their knees.  cuz if it
doesn't happen, then the corporations, not the unions, will bring the usa to
its knees.  hell, it's already happening.  after all, corporations are
people, too...
> >>>> 
> >>>> doug s.,
> >>>> #2602
> >>>> 
> >>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>     *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> >>>>     *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
> >>>>     *Cc:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com"
> >>>>     <detomaso at realbig.com>
> >>>>     *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:32 PM
> >>>>     *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions? (was: Re: Something to shoot
for
> >>>>     (NPC))
> >>>> 
> >>>>     Union words I have heard which shows exactly what unions are "We
> >>>>     are going to bring this country to it's knees!".....And they
> >>>>     do...and then the industry in this country looks like Detroit.
> >>>> 
> >>>>     Unions rob the worker too. Just one more nickel per dollar. It's
> >>>>     no big deal. Again and again.  And then the pension is not there.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>    michael at michaelshortt.com <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
wrote:
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     > I really admire the CEO of Quantas wbo shut down the whole
> >>>>     airline this week because the unions were bleeding it dry.
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     > I really feel for the NBA owners, but they caused this to
happen
> >>>>     by overpaying the players to start with. Personally, the NBA can
> >>>>     die for all I care.
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     > Unions had a time in history, but the ideals were polluted by
> >>>>     politics and the mob.  Anytime massive sums of money are involved
> >>>>     it creates an opportunity for the degradation of morals and
honor.
> >>>> 
>     >
> >>>>     > Children shouldn't work in sweat shops, workplaces should be
> >>>>     safe to avoid disasters like the Triangle Shirt factory fire,
> >>>>     Miners shouldn't breathe coal dust, unions helped change these
> >>>>     things before government agencies like OSHA existed.
> >>>>     > They served a purpose that should never be forgotten.
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     > Michael Shortt
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     > On Oct 30, 2011 6:01 PM, "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com
> >>>>     <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com
> >>>>     <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >    it is not the unions that are causing the problem
w/companies'
> >>>>     >    greed and their going off-shore.  what is wrong w/the idea
> >>>>     that an
> >>>>     >    honest working class blue collar worker can support a family
on a
> >>>>     >    decent wage?  unions made this possible.  the problem we are
> >>>>     >    having is that the federal government deregulation has
allowed
> >>>>     >    companies to move offshore, cutting their costs
substantially,
> >>>>     >    while keeping the prices of the products the same.  great
for the
> >>>>     >    rich stockholders and
>  ceo's, screw everyone else.  if these
> >>>>     >    companies were regulated so as to not be able to reap the
profits
> >>>>     >    of slave-wage-rate labor, no off-shore safety/enwironmental
> >>>>     >    regulation, etc.; then there would not have been such a huge
> >>>>     >    exodus of american manufacturing to third-world countries.
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >    interesting article, tracking the fate of america's middle
class,
> >>>>     >    and its unions:
> >>>>     >
http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/decline-in-unions-a-leading-fac
tor-in-income-inequality/
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >    regarding ceo's being overpaid, i support, where possible,
buying
> >>>>     >    from
>  non-american companies, who use american labor.     non-american
> >>>>     >    companies typically pay their ceo's ~30 times what their
average
> >>>>     >    workers earn; w/american companies this figure is more like
300
> >>>>     >    times the salary of the average worker.  here's a guide for
> >>>>     >    wehicles and where they're made.  notice many foreign auto
> >>>>     >    companies have "off-shored" a lot of the work to america.
but at
> >>>>     >    least here, there are reasonable safety/enwironmental
standards,
> >>>>     >    etc., and the workers are paid more than subsistence
wages...
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >   
>  http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-autos.shtml
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >    ymmv,
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >    doug s.,
> >>>>     >    #2602
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