[DeTomaso] unions?
Bill Lewis
lotus0005 at hotmail.com
Sun Oct 30 22:32:22 EDT 2011
My wife and I have made the comment many times, that in America, a person could sell tamales on the side of the road and make a living if they worked hard enough. As a matter of fact, there was a guy down here who would cook BBQ (in Texas, it has to be pit cooked for 16 hours) at night, waking up every so often to go check the temperature, and then would go on the side of the highway and sell it. He told us he made $50,000.00/year - this was back in the '80's. I don't smirk very much, but when I go into the convenience store in the PM/evening, and see all the dudes loading up on 6-packs of been - I SMIRK. Dude, save your money, go buy a beat-up rent house, work on it at night, then buy another one!!! That's the old-fashioned American/capitalist way!! ---Bill (yep, I did that too - don't take two much braines) Lewis
> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:53:43 -0400
> From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
> To: sedond at yahoo.com
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] unions?
>
> I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE SELF EMPLOYED DREAMLAND FOR THE LAST 22
> YEARS. I live by my wits and do not depend upon anyone else or any
> government funding.
>
> Anybody who is unhappy should try it if they have the backbone. I started
> out
> Broke, freshly divorced and an outsider in a established good ole boy city.
> My only remaining credit card was from Sears, I bought a 699.00 fax machine
> and made a desk out of a old door.
>
> Boo hoo for whiners and folks who want it delivered on a silver platter.
> If THE MAN ain't making you happy, be gone.
>
> Michael
> On Oct 30, 2011 8:27 PM, "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > unfortunately the govt is still encouraging corporations, banks and
> > financial companies to off-shore their work, and prowiding them w/taxpayer
> > funded welfare - they make money when they make money, and they get money
> > from taxpayers when they lose money. i certainly didn't get my wish. i
> > will get my wish when govt encourages corporations to manufacture good
> > here, by dis-incentivizing them to go off-shore. and i will get my wish
> > when they go out of business when they fail in the market place, instead of
> > being subsidized by taxpayer money. the prosperity is gone not cuz the
> > companies are gone, but cuz they sent it all off-shore. w/the govt letting
> > them do it, thanks to the corporations & banks owning the govt. corporate
> > american is BOOMING today; they are ROLLING in money. the financial
> > institutions that were bailed out w/govt taxpayer money are also BOOMING!
> > not sure what dreamland you are living in...
> >
> > doug s.,
> > #2602
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> > *To:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> > *Cc:* "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>; "
> > detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:01 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions?
> >
> > You got your wish!!! Many are gone for good. Not just the jobs but the
> > prosperity too!
> >
> > doug sedon wrote:
> > > somebody needs to bring the corporations to their knees. cuz if it
> > doesn't happen, then the corporations, not the unions, will bring the usa
> > to its knees. hell, it's already happening. after all, corporations are
> > people, too...
> > >
> > > doug s.,
> > > #2602
> > >
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> > > *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
> > > *Cc:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com"
> > > <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:32 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions? (was: Re: Something to shoot for
> > > (NPC))
> > >
> > > Union words I have heard which shows exactly what unions are "We
> > > are going to bring this country to it's knees!".....And they
> > > do...and then the industry in this country looks like Detroit.
> > >
> > > Unions rob the worker too. Just one more nickel per dollar. It's
> > > no big deal. Again and again. And then the pension is not there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > michael at michaelshortt.com <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I really admire the CEO of Quantas wbo shut down the whole
> > > airline this week because the unions were bleeding it dry.
> > > >
> > > > I really feel for the NBA owners, but they caused this to happen
> > > by overpaying the players to start with. Personally, the NBA can
> > > die for all I care.
> > > >
> > > > Unions had a time in history, but the ideals were polluted by
> > > politics and the mob. Anytime massive sums of money are involved
> > > it creates an opportunity for the degradation of morals and honor.
> > > >
> > > > Children shouldn't work in sweat shops, workplaces should be
> > > safe to avoid disasters like the Triangle Shirt factory fire,
> > > Miners shouldn't breathe coal dust, unions helped change these
> > > things before government agencies like OSHA existed.
> > > > They served a purpose that should never be forgotten.
> > > >
> > > > Michael Shortt
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 30, 2011 6:01 PM, "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com
> > > <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com
> > > <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > it is not the unions that are causing the problem w/companies'
> > > > greed and their going off-shore. what is wrong w/the idea
> > > that an
> > > > honest working class blue collar worker can support a family on a
> > > > decent wage? unions made this possible. the problem we are
> > > > having is that the federal government deregulation has allowed
> > > > companies to move offshore, cutting their costs substantially,
> > > > while keeping the prices of the products the same. great for the
> > > > rich stockholders and ceo's, screw everyone else. if these
> > > > companies were regulated so as to not be able to reap the profits
> > > > of slave-wage-rate labor, no off-shore safety/enwironmental
> > > > regulation, etc.; then there would not have been such a huge
> > > > exodus of american manufacturing to third-world countries.
> > > >
> > > > interesting article, tracking the fate of america's middle class,
> > > > and its unions:
> > > >
> > http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/decline-in-unions-a-leading-factor-in-income-inequality/
> > > >
> > > > regarding ceo's being overpaid, i support, where possible, buying
> > > > from non-american companies, who use american labor.
> > non-american
> > > > companies typically pay their ceo's ~30 times what their average
> > > > workers earn; w/american companies this figure is more like 300
> > > > times the salary of the average worker. here's a guide for
> > > > wehicles and where they're made. notice many foreign auto
> > > > companies have "off-shored" a lot of the work to america. but at
> > > > least here, there are reasonable safety/enwironmental standards,
> > > > etc., and the workers are paid more than subsistence wages...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-autos.shtml
> > > >
> > > > ymmv,
> > > >
> > > > doug s.,
> > > > #2602
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