[DeTomaso] unions?
GW
gow2 at rc-tech.net
Sun Oct 30 23:21:11 EDT 2011
Well best to luck in your search.
Gary
doug sedon wrote:
> again, congrats to you, gary, and best of luck. i have been in a/e
> design/construction/procurement mgmt for 30 years, and once again,
> find myself scrambling for a position somewhere. mebbe it's time...
>
> doug s.
> #2602
>
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> *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
> *Cc:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions?
>
> I started a business this past year with my neighbor and his
> brother. Our business plan is based on not hiring anyone ....ZERO
> EMPLOYEES...and lots of automated equipment. It is the only way we
> could do what we do with the current state, our country and
> industry is in. The other two members are ex-unions members and
> they lost their entire pension when they left because the union
> did not feel they deserved it leaving. They were paying $.40 a
> dollar to unions and healthcare when they left and all they were
> doing was lining the pockets of the sr union members.
>
> Gary
>
>
> michael at michaelshortt.com <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> >
> > I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE SELF EMPLOYED DREAMLAND FOR THE
> LAST 22 YEARS. I live by my wits and do not depend upon anyone
> else or any government funding.
> > Anybody who is unhappy should try it if they have the backbone.
> I started out
> > Broke, freshly divorced and an outsider in a established good
> ole boy city.
> > My only remaining credit card was from Sears, I bought a 699.00
> fax machine and made a desk out of a old door.
> >
> > Boo hoo for whiners and folks who want it delivered on a silver
> platter.
> > If THE MAN ain't making you happy, be gone.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On Oct 30, 2011 8:27 PM, "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com
> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com
> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > unfortunately the govt is still encouraging corporations, banks
> > and financial companies to off-shore their work, and prowiding
> > them w/taxpayer funded welfare - they make money when they make
> > money, and they get money from taxpayers when they lose money. i
> > certainly didn't get my wish. i will get my wish when govt
> > encourages corporations to manufacture good here, by
> > dis-incentivizing them to go off-shore. and i will get my wish
> > when they go out of business when they fail in the market place,
> > instead of being subsidized by taxpayer money. the prosperity is
> > gone not cuz the companies are gone, but cuz they sent it all
> > off-shore. w/the govt letting them do it, thanks to the
> > corporations & banks owning the govt. corporate american is
> > BOOMING today; they are ROLLING in money. the financial
> > institutions that were bailed out w/govt taxpayer money are also
> > BOOMING! not sure what dreamland you are living in...
> >
> > doug s.,
> > #2602
> >
> >
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> > *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net>>>
> > *To:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com
> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com
> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>>
> > *Cc:* "michael at michaelshortt.com
> <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> > <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>" <michael at michaelshortt.com
> <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> > <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>>; "detomaso at realbig.com
> <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
> > <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
> <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>" <detomaso at realbig.com
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> > <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:01 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions?
> >
> > You got your wish!!! Many are gone for good. Not just the
> jobs
> > but the prosperity too!
> >
> > doug sedon wrote:
> > > somebody needs to bring the corporations to their
> knees. cuz if it doesn't happen, then the corporations, not the
> > unions, will bring the usa to its knees. hell, it's already
> > happening. after all, corporations are people, too...
> > >
> > > doug s.,
> > > #2602
> > >
> > >
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> > > *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net
> <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net> <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net
> <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net>>>
> > > *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
> <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> > <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>
> > > *Cc:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com
> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>
> > <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>>;
> "detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
> > <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>"
> > > <detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
> <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>>
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:32 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions? (was: Re: Something to
> > shoot for
> > > (NPC))
> > >
> > > Union words I have heard which shows exactly what unions
> > are "We
> > > are going to bring this country to it's
> knees!".....And they
> > > do...and then the industry in this country looks like
> > Detroit.
> > >
> > > Unions rob the worker too. Just one more nickel per
> > dollar. It's
> > > no big deal. Again and again. And then the pension is
> > not there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > michael at michaelshortt.com
> <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> > <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>
> > <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> > <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I really admire the CEO of Quantas wbo shut down
> the whole
> > > airline this week because the unions were bleeding
> it dry.
> > > >
> > > > I really feel for the NBA owners, but they caused this
> > to happen
> > > by overpaying the players to start with. Personally, the
> > NBA can
> > > die for all I care.
> > > >
> > > > Unions had a time in history, but the ideals were
> > polluted by
> > > politics and the mob. Anytime massive sums of money are
> > involved
> > > it creates an opportunity for the degradation of morals
> > and honor.
> > > >
> > > > Children shouldn't work in sweat shops, workplaces
> > should be
> > > safe to avoid disasters like the Triangle Shirt
> factory fire,
> > > Miners shouldn't breathe coal dust, unions helped change
> > these
> > > things before government agencies like OSHA existed.
> > > > They served a purpose that should never be forgotten.
> > > >
> > > > Michael Shortt
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 30, 2011 6:01 PM, "doug sedon"
> <sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>
> > <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>
> > > <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>
> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>>
> > <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>
> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>
> > > <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>
> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > it is not the unions that are causing the problem
> > w/companies'
> > > > greed and their going off-shore. what is wrong
> > w/the idea
> > > that an
> > > > honest working class blue collar worker can support
> > a family on a
> > > > decent wage? unions made this possible. the
> > problem we are
> > > > having is that the federal government deregulation
> > has allowed
> > > > companies to move offshore, cutting their costs
> > substantially,
> > > > while keeping the prices of the products the
> same. great for the
> > > > rich stockholders and ceo's, screw everyone
> else. if these
> > > > companies were regulated so as to not be able to
> > reap the profits
> > > > of slave-wage-rate labor, no off-shore
> > safety/enwironmental
> > > > regulation, etc.; then there would not have been
> > such a huge
> > > > exodus of american manufacturing to third-world
> > countries.
> > > >
> > > > interesting article, tracking the fate of america's
> > middle class,
> > > > and its unions:
> > > >
> http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/decline-in-unions-a-leading-factor-in-income-inequality/
> > > >
> > > > regarding ceo's being overpaid, i support, where
> > possible, buying
> > > > from non-american companies, who use american
> > labor. non-american
> > > > companies typically pay their ceo's ~30 times what
> > their average
> > > > workers earn; w/american companies this figure is
> > more like 300
> > > > times the salary of the average worker. here's a
> > guide for
> > > > wehicles and where they're made. notice many
> > foreign auto
> > > > companies have "off-shored" a lot of the work to
> > america. but at
> > > > least here, there are reasonable
> > safety/enwironmental standards,
> > > > etc., and the workers are paid more than
> subsistence
> > wages...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-autos.shtml
> > > >
> > > > ymmv,
> > > >
> > > > doug s.,
> > > > #2602
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