[DeTomaso] unions?

GW gow2 at rc-tech.net
Sun Oct 30 23:21:11 EDT 2011


Well best to luck in your search.

Gary

doug sedon wrote:
> again, congrats to you, gary, and best of luck.  i have been in a/e 
> design/construction/procurement mgmt for 30 years, and once again, 
> find myself scrambling for a position somewhere.  mebbe it's time...
>
> doug s.
> #2602
>
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>     *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
>     *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
>     *Cc:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com"
>     <detomaso at realbig.com>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:06 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions?
>
>     I started a business this past year with my neighbor and his
>     brother. Our business plan is based on not hiring anyone ....ZERO
>     EMPLOYEES...and lots of automated equipment. It is the only way we
>     could do what we do with the current state, our country and
>     industry is in. The other two members are ex-unions members and
>     they lost their entire pension when they left because the union
>     did not feel they deserved it leaving. They were paying $.40 a
>     dollar to unions and healthcare when they left and all they were
>     doing was lining the pockets of the sr union members.
>
>     Gary
>
>
>     michael at michaelshortt.com <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>     >
>     > I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT  OF THE SELF EMPLOYED DREAMLAND FOR THE
>     LAST 22 YEARS.  I live by my wits and do not depend upon anyone
>     else or any government funding.
>     > Anybody who is unhappy should try it if they have the backbone. 
>     I started out
>     > Broke, freshly divorced and an outsider in a established good
>     ole boy city.
>     > My only remaining credit card was from Sears, I bought a 699.00
>     fax machine and made a desk out of a old door.
>     >
>     > Boo hoo for whiners and folks who want it delivered on a silver
>     platter.
>     > If THE MAN ain't making you happy, be gone.
>     >
>     > Michael
>     >
>     > On Oct 30, 2011 8:27 PM, "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >    unfortunately the govt is still encouraging corporations, banks
>     >    and financial companies to off-shore their work, and prowiding
>     >    them w/taxpayer funded welfare - they make money when they make
>     >    money, and they get money from taxpayers when they lose money.  i
>     >    certainly didn't get my wish.  i will get my wish when govt
>     >    encourages corporations to manufacture good here, by
>     >    dis-incentivizing them to go off-shore.  and i will get my wish
>     >    when they go out of business when they fail in the market place,
>     >    instead of being subsidized by taxpayer money.  the prosperity is
>     >    gone not cuz the companies are gone, but cuz they sent it all
>     >    off-shore. w/the govt letting them do it, thanks to the
>     >    corporations & banks owning the govt.  corporate american is
>     >    BOOMING today; they are ROLLING in money.  the financial
>     >    institutions that were bailed out w/govt  taxpayer money are also
>     >    BOOMING!  not sure what dreamland you are living in...
>     >
>     >    doug s.,
>     >    #2602
>     >
>     >       
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>     >        *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net>
>     <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net>>>
>     >        *To:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>>
>     >        *Cc:* "michael at michaelshortt.com
>     <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
>     >        <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>     <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>" <michael at michaelshortt.com
>     <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
>     >        <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>     <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>>; "detomaso at realbig.com
>     <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>     >        <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
>     <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>" <detomaso at realbig.com
>     <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>     >        <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>>
>     >        *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:01 PM
>     >        *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions?
>     >
>     >        You got your wish!!! Many are gone for good. Not just the
>     jobs
>     >        but the prosperity too!
>     >
>     >        doug sedon wrote:
>     >        > somebody needs to bring the corporations to their
>     knees.        cuz if it doesn't happen, then the corporations, not the
>     >        unions, will bring the usa to its knees.  hell, it's already
>     >        happening.  after all, corporations are people, too...
>     >        >
>     >        > doug s.,
>     >        > #2602
>     >        >
>     >        >         
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>     >        >    *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net
>     <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net> <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net
>     <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net>>>
>     >        >    *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
>     <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
>     >        <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>     <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>
>     >        >    *Cc:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>
>     >        <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>>;
>     "detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>     >        <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>"
>     >        >    <detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>     <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>>
>     >        >    *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:32 PM
>     >        >    *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions? (was: Re: Something to
>     >        shoot for
>     >        >    (NPC))
>     >        >
>     >        >    Union words I have heard which shows exactly what unions
>     >        are "We
>     >        >    are going to bring this country to it's
>     knees!".....And they
>     >        >    do...and then the industry in this country looks like
>     >        Detroit.
>     >        >
>     >        >    Unions rob the worker too. Just one more nickel per
>     >        dollar. It's
>     >        >    no big deal. Again and again.  And then the pension is
>     >        not there.
>     >        >
>     >        >
>     >        >
>     >        >
>     >        >    michael at michaelshortt.com
>     <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
>     >        <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>     <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>
>     >        <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>     <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
>     >        <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
>     <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>>> wrote:
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    > I really admire the CEO of Quantas wbo shut down
>     the whole
>     >        >    airline this week because the unions were bleeding
>     it dry.
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    > I really feel for the NBA owners, but they caused this
>     >        to happen
>     >        >    by overpaying the players to start with. Personally, the
>     >        NBA can
>     >        >    die for all I care.
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    > Unions had a time in history, but the ideals were
>     >        polluted by
>     >        >    politics and the mob.  Anytime massive sums of money are
>     >        involved
>     >        >    it creates an opportunity for the degradation of morals
>     >        and honor.
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    > Children shouldn't work in sweat shops, workplaces
>     >        should be
>     >        >    safe to avoid disasters like the Triangle Shirt
>     factory fire,
>     >        >    Miners shouldn't breathe coal dust, unions helped change
>     >        these
>     >        >    things before government agencies like OSHA existed.
>     >        >    > They served a purpose that should never be forgotten.
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    > Michael Shortt
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    > On Oct 30, 2011 6:01 PM, "doug sedon"
>     <sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>
>     >        <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>
>     >        >    <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>
>     <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>>
>     >        <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>
>     <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>
>     >        >    <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>
>     <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>>>> wrote:
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    >    it is not the unions that are causing the problem
>     >        w/companies'
>     >        >    >    greed and their going off-shore.  what is wrong
>     >        w/the idea
>     >        >    that an
>     >        >    >    honest working class blue collar worker can support
>     >        a family on a
>     >        >    >    decent wage?  unions made this possible.  the
>     >        problem we are
>     >        >    >    having is that the federal government deregulation
>     >        has allowed
>     >        >    >    companies to move offshore, cutting their costs
>     >        substantially,
>     >        >    >    while keeping the prices of the products the
>     same.        great for the
>     >        >    >    rich stockholders and ceo's, screw everyone
>     else.        if these
>     >        >    >    companies were regulated so as to not be able to
>     >        reap the profits
>     >        >    >    of slave-wage-rate labor, no off-shore
>     >        safety/enwironmental
>     >        >    >    regulation, etc.; then there would not have been
>     >        such a huge
>     >        >    >    exodus of american manufacturing to third-world
>     >        countries.
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    >    interesting article, tracking the fate of america's
>     >        middle class,
>     >        >    >    and its unions:
>     >        >    >           
>     http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/decline-in-unions-a-leading-factor-in-income-inequality/
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    >    regarding ceo's being overpaid, i support, where
>     >        possible, buying
>     >        >    >    from non-american companies, who use american
>     >        labor.    non-american
>     >        >    >    companies typically pay their ceo's ~30 times what
>     >        their average
>     >        >    >    workers earn; w/american companies this figure is
>     >        more like 300
>     >        >    >    times the salary of the average worker.  here's a
>     >        guide for
>     >        >    >    wehicles and where they're made.  notice many
>     >        foreign auto
>     >        >    >    companies have "off-shored" a lot of the work to
>     >        america.  but at
>     >        >    >    least here, there are reasonable
>     >        safety/enwironmental standards,
>     >        >    >    etc., and the workers are paid more than
>     subsistence
>     >        wages...
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    >         
>     http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-autos.shtml
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    >    ymmv,
>     >        >    >
>     >        >    >    doug s.,
>     >        >    >    #2602
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