[DeTomaso] unions?

Sun Oct 30 20:53:43 EDT 2011

I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT  OF THE SELF EMPLOYED DREAMLAND FOR THE LAST 22
YEARS.  I live by my wits and do not depend upon anyone else or any
government funding.

Anybody who is unhappy should try it if they have the backbone.  I started
out
Broke, freshly divorced and an outsider in a established good ole boy city.
My only remaining credit card was from Sears, I bought a 699.00 fax machine
and made a desk out of a old door.

Boo hoo for whiners and folks who want it delivered on a silver platter.
If THE MAN ain't making you happy, be gone.

Michael
 On Oct 30, 2011 8:27 PM, "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com> wrote:

> unfortunately the govt is still encouraging corporations, banks and
> financial companies to off-shore their work, and prowiding them w/taxpayer
> funded welfare - they make money when they make money, and they get money
> from taxpayers when they lose money.  i certainly didn't get my wish.  i
> will get my wish when govt encourages corporations to manufacture good
> here, by dis-incentivizing them to go off-shore.  and i will get my wish
> when they go out of business when they fail in the market place, instead of
> being subsidized by taxpayer money.  the prosperity is gone not cuz the
> companies are gone, but cuz they sent it all off-shore. w/the govt letting
> them do it, thanks to the corporations & banks owning the govt.  corporate
> american is BOOMING today; they are ROLLING in money.  the financial
> institutions that were bailed out w/govt  taxpayer money are also BOOMING!
> not sure what dreamland you are living in...
>
> doug s.,
> #2602
>
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> *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> *To:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>; "
> detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:01 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions?
>
> You got your wish!!! Many are gone for good. Not just the jobs but the
> prosperity too!
>
> doug sedon wrote:
> > somebody needs to bring the corporations to their knees.  cuz if it
> doesn't happen, then the corporations, not the unions, will bring the usa
> to its knees.  hell, it's already happening.  after all, corporations are
> people, too...
> >
> > doug s.,
> > #2602
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >    *From:* GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> >    *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com
> >    *Cc:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com"
> >    <detomaso at realbig.com>
> >    *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:32 PM
> >    *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions? (was: Re: Something to shoot for
> >    (NPC))
> >
> >    Union words I have heard which shows exactly what unions are "We
> >    are going to bring this country to it's knees!".....And they
> >    do...and then the industry in this country looks like Detroit.
> >
> >    Unions rob the worker too. Just one more nickel per dollar. It's
> >    no big deal. Again and again.  And then the pension is not there.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >    michael at michaelshortt.com <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
> >    >
> >    > I really admire the CEO of Quantas wbo shut down the whole
> >    airline this week because the unions were bleeding it dry.
> >    >
> >    > I really feel for the NBA owners, but they caused this to happen
> >    by overpaying the players to start with. Personally, the NBA can
> >    die for all I care.
> >    >
> >    > Unions had a time in history, but the ideals were polluted by
> >    politics and the mob.  Anytime massive sums of money are involved
> >    it creates an opportunity for the degradation of morals and honor.
> >    >
> >    > Children shouldn't work in sweat shops, workplaces should be
> >    safe to avoid disasters like the Triangle Shirt factory fire,
> >    Miners shouldn't breathe coal dust, unions helped change these
> >    things before government agencies like OSHA existed.
> >    > They served a purpose that should never be forgotten.
> >    >
> >    > Michael Shortt
> >    >
> >    > On Oct 30, 2011 6:01 PM, "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com
> >    <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com> <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com
> >    <mailto:sedond at yahoo.com>>> wrote:
> >    >
> >    >    it is not the unions that are causing the problem w/companies'
> >    >    greed and their going off-shore.  what is wrong w/the idea
> >    that an
> >    >    honest working class blue collar worker can support a family on a
> >    >    decent wage?  unions made this possible.  the problem we are
> >    >    having is that the federal government deregulation has allowed
> >    >    companies to move offshore, cutting their costs substantially,
> >    >    while keeping the prices of the products the same.  great for the
> >    >    rich stockholders and ceo's, screw everyone else.  if these
> >    >    companies were regulated so as to not be able to reap the profits
> >    >    of slave-wage-rate labor, no off-shore safety/enwironmental
> >    >    regulation, etc.; then there would not have been such a huge
> >    >    exodus of american manufacturing to third-world countries.
> >    >
> >    >    interesting article, tracking the fate of america's middle class,
> >    >    and its unions:
> >    >
> http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/decline-in-unions-a-leading-factor-in-income-inequality/
> >    >
> >    >    regarding ceo's being overpaid, i support, where possible, buying
> >    >    from non-american companies, who use american labor.
> non-american
> >    >    companies typically pay their ceo's ~30 times what their average
> >    >    workers earn; w/american companies this figure is more like 300
> >    >    times the salary of the average worker.  here's a guide for
> >    >    wehicles and where they're made.  notice many foreign auto
> >    >    companies have "off-shored" a lot of the work to america.  but at
> >    >    least here, there are reasonable safety/enwironmental standards,
> >    >    etc., and the workers are paid more than subsistence wages...
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >    http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-autos.shtml
> >    >
> >    >    ymmv,
> >    >
> >    >    doug s.,
> >    >    #2602
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