[DeTomaso] unions? (was: Re: Something to shoot for (NPC))

[michael@michaelshortt.com]

Doug,

To be honest, I'm unsure of your position on the viability of unions.

Let me be clear about my views.

1. Unions were once upon a time a good thing, I think that time has passed.

2. Corporations exist to create wealth for shareholders.  It is
management's sole duty to maximize profits, however they are not required
to be good citizens or have any loyalty to our country. I feel this is a
fundamental flaw and should be of prime consideration to those who invest
personally and on behalf of others with pension funds, 401ks, etc.

3. Management should be compensated based on real profits, not valuations,
or other means of manipulating numbers to look like income.  REAL MONEY.  I
like a formula that is open for all to see.

4. Union workers in many cases need a reality check.  There are dudes who
work for GM who make $65.00 an hour to clean The bathroom because they have
been doing it for 20 years.  WISE TF UP. A job has a value, period.  Just
because you're too stupid, dumb or lazy to do anything else doesn't mean
that your job is a career.  Either cross train, get an education or move
on.   Just because you're still there doesn't make the original 15.00 an
hour job any more valuable.

Michael Shortt
On Oct 30, 2011 7:52 PM, "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com> wrote:

> michael, unfortunately the corporations now control the government, so any
> "regulation" is to favor the corporate interests, not those of the
> workers.  so of course, unions do not have as much positive influence any
> more.  re: qantas, ya, god forbid the unions try to stop the company, which
> doubled its profits over the prewious year, from outsourcing 1000 more yobs
> - that would only increase the profits, not result in airfare reductions
> for customers.  :>/  seems no one else is doing anything about it..
>
> regarding massive sums of money creating an opportunity for the
> degradation of morals and honor, do you think why that may have something
> to do w/the fact that it doesn't matter who is in power - democrat or
> republican - they will still sell out to corporate influence?  it cracks me
> up hearing folks complain about "welfare", when the truth is the largest
> share of welfare goes to those who need it the least - the corporations.
>
> and, you said:
>
> "Children shouldn't work in sweat shops, workplaces should be safe to
> avoid disasters like the Triangle Shirt factory fire, Miners shouldn't
> breathe coal dust, unions helped change these things before government
> agencies like OSHA existed. "
>
> so you expect me to believe that govt agencies caused these things?!?  in
> fact, the above have largely been rectified - in the usa anyway - thanks to
> osha, epa, unions, etc.  it has been the efforts of corporations to awoid
> these, by getting govt regulations which allow them to move offshore so
> they can awoid these above atrocities you mention.
>
> at some point, the resources become limited, and third-world
> countries/peoples ripe for exploitation also become limited - pretty soon,
> there's gonna be resource shortages, (peak oil?), and no one left to rip
> off.  and when there's no one left to make stuff at slave wages, and
> there's no one left who's being paid enough to afford it, who is gonna buy
> all the crap?  (uh, i mean all the material goods?)  what then?  party's
> over... even for the rich...  unless the rich get a clue and realize they
> should not bite the hand that feeds them.  that making a little less so
> that the middle class can have a decent lifestyle is in their own
> interest.  so that there *IS* a middle class to support the consumption
> that keeps their factories running...oh, sorry - too logical...  meanwhile,
> let the ponzi scheme continue...
>
> doug s.,
> #2602
>
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> *From:* "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> *To:* doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>; "gow2 at rc-tech.net" <
> gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2011 6:40 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions? (was: Re: Something to shoot for (NPC))
>
> I really admire the CEO of Quantas wbo shut down the whole airline this
> week because the unions were bleeding it dry.
> I really feel for the NBA owners, but they caused this to happen by
> overpaying the players to start with. Personally, the NBA can die for all I
> care.
> Unions had a time in history, but the ideals were polluted by politics and
> the mob.  Anytime massive sums of money are involved it creates an
> opportunity for the degradation of morals and honor.
> Children shouldn't work in sweat shops, workplaces should be safe to avoid
> disasters like the Triangle Shirt factory fire, Miners shouldn't breathe
> coal dust, unions helped change these things before government agencies
> like OSHA existed.
> They served a purpose that should never be forgotten.
> Michael Shortt
>
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