[DeTomaso] unions and govenrment

Wed Nov 2 05:06:40 EDT 2011

Terry,

So you really think off-topic subject matter is okay? I don't and don't
want to even think about deleting them because I don't want them in my
inbox to begin with. I guarantee you the volume of email that I have to
deal with is at least an order of magnitude greater than yours. I take it
that you think I should remove myself from this mailing list and miss out
on all of the great Pantera advice just to not put up with off-topic crap.
Why ruin a great mailing list?

It seems to me that a much better idea to create a
detomaso-offtopic at realbig.com mailing list for those who feel the need and
I won't be signed up for this list.

Cheers,

Denny
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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Terry Appleby <taappleby at bigpond.com> wrote:

> **
> Yes, I love the Pantera stuff, some good tips and funny comments, but I
> delete the Political stuff.
> Keep Safe
> Terry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Denny Morse [mailto:denman at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 2011-11-02 19:21
> *To:* Terry Appleby
> *Cc:* Ken Green; michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] unions and govenrment
>
> Terry,
>
> The subject doesn't always tell the whole story and mail threading doesn't
> work very well with this mailing list. Why do I have to put with the spam
> like this? I didn't sign up to this list to have to read stuff like this.
> Creating a filter to delete everything from doug is easier. Maybe I'll need
> to tune the filter later.
>
> Due to my work environment supporting a worldwide Internet service I
> receive hundreds and hundreds of emails a day (> 1,000 on a bad day).
> Wasting time on off topic emails to a mailing list that devoted to a
> specific topic is a huge waste of my time.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Denny Morse
> ----
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Terry Appleby <taappleby at bigpond.com>wrote:
>
>> just hit the delete button, you don't have to read it!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Denny Morse
>> Sent: 2011-11-01 18:11
>> To: doug sedon
>> Cc: Ken Green; michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] unions and govenrment
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I only recently joined POCA and this mailing list. I never expected to
>> have
>> to read crap like this on a mailing list devoted to De Tomaso. I think
>> postings like this really detracts from the quality of this mailing list
>> as
>> a whole. In my opinion this belongs on a different group mailing list.
>> There are many many placed to state your economic and political positions,
>> as well as religious opinions, etc., but this doesn't seem to be the right
>> place for it.
>>
>> It's sad by I've had to create a gmail filter to delete anything to or
>> from
>> sedond at yahoo.com. Doug please keep these opinions on your blog where they
>> belong.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Denny
>> ----
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM, doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > what a narrow minded cretin.  what he fails to see is that he's no
>> > different that the folks who work for him, according to those corporate
>> > interests that are really running things!  and the corporate interests
>> are
>> > the ones running the show, not the dems or the repubs... he paid $288k
>> in
>> > taxes last quarter?!?  HAHAHAHA - he paid more than General Electric!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > doug s.,
>> > #2602
>> > ps - check your history - about what the regulation and tax burden was,
>> > when the america's economy was doing best.  lemme give you a hint - it
>> > wasn't when the tax/regulation rates were lower...
>> > pps - the constitution certainly has bee steamrolled - corporations have
>> > free speech rights and can give as much money as they like to
>> politicians -
>> > cuz they're PEOPLE!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > >________________________________
>> > >From: GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
>> > >To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> > >Cc: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; "michael at michaelshortt.com" <
>> > michael at michaelshortt.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com" <
>> detomaso at realbig.com>
>> > >Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:32 AM
>> > >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] unions and govenrment
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >*Subject:* This is the best letter I have read on what's wrong with
>> this
>> > country
>> > >If you doubt, Google the company and man who wrote this…….
>> > >*
>> > >
>> > >Michael A. Crowley, PE* is the owner of Crowley & Associates, Inc. And
>> > was President and an owner of Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc. And
>> Michael
>> > A. Crowley, PC. As President of Crowley & Associates, Inc., Mike is a
>> lead
>> > designer of water supply, treatment and storage projects, regional
>> sewage
>> > lift station design, and residential and commercial site development
>> > projects and is responsible for the management of the firm. Mike’s
>> industry
>> > background includes over 20 years experience in the civil engineering
>> field
>> > inclusive of executive level responsibilities in Marketing and Project
>> > Management. Prior to founding Michael A. Crowley, PC, Mike held
>> positions
>> > with several engineering firms in North Carolina and Maine. Mike holds a
>> > B.S. Degree in Civil Engineering from University of Maine and a Master
>> of
>> > Business Administration from Boston College. Mike is a member of the
>> > American Water Works Association (AWWA) and holds professional
>> > registrations in North
>> >  Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Arkansas, Texas, Arizona,
>> > New Mexico, Indiana, Maine, Tennessee, Australia, and Trinidad & Tobago,
>> > West Indies. Mike is a native of Norridgewock, Maine. The Crowley family
>> > resides in Wake Forest.
>> > >/To All My Valued Employees,
>> > >
>> > >There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of
>> this
>> > company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has
>> > changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good
>> news
>> > is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job.
>> > >
>> > >What does threaten your job however, is the changing political
>> landscape
>> > in this country. Of course, as your employer, I am forbidden to tell you
>> > whom to vote for - it is against the law to discriminate based on
>> political
>> > affiliation, race, creed, religion, etc.
>> > >
>> > >Please vote for who you think will serve your interests the best.
>> > However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help
>> you
>> > decide what is in your best interest. First, while it is easy to spew
>> > rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand
>> > that for every business owner there is a back story.
>> > >
>> > >This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and
>> > hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You saw my big home at
>> > last years Christmas party. I'm sure all these flashy icons of luxury
>> > conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life. However, what you
>> don't
>> > see is the back story.
>> > >
>> > >I started this company 12 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300
>> > square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living space was
>> > converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building
>> a
>> > company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.
>> > >
>> > >My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent
>> > went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a
>> > defective transmission. I didn't have time to date Often times, I stayed
>> > home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In
>> fact,
>> > I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.
>> > >
>> > >Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a
>> > modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy
>> cars
>> > and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of
>> > hitting Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling
>> through
>> > the Goodwill store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it
>> > was birthed in the 70's.
>> > >
>> > >My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I,
>> > however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business
>> ---
>> > with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford
>> > these luxuries my friends supposedly had.
>> > >
>> > >So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9 am, mentally check
>> in
>> > at about noon, and then leave at 5 PM, I don't. There is no "off" button
>> > for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend
>> all
>> > to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, ****, and
>> > breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There
>> is no
>> > weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to
>> me
>> > like a 1 day old baby.
>> > >
>> > >You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house,
>> the
>> > Mercedes, the vacations... You never realize the back story and the
>> > sacrifices I've made. Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy
>> that
>> > made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail out all
>> the
>> > people who didn't.
>> > >
>> > >The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the
>> > same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for. Yes,
>> > business ownership has its benefits but the price I've paid is steep and
>> > not without wounds. Unfortunately, the cost of running this business,
>> and
>> > employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit
>> and
>> > let me tell you why:
>> > >
>> > >I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay
>> enough. I
>> > have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes.
>> > Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on
>> > taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess
>> > what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and
>> > regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most
>> of my
>> > time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for
>> > quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada.
>> Zilch.
>> > >
>> > >The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the
>> guy
>> > who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000
>> > people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother
>> sitting
>> > at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare
>> check?
>> > >
>> > >Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this
>> > country. The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck
>> > you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's
>> nuts.
>> > Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree
>> which
>> > is why your job is in jeopardy. Here is what many of you don't
>> understand
>> > .. to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy.
>> > Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes,
>> > guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington
>> > black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated
>> > substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth
>> of
>> > that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can
>> > forget it now.
>> > >
>> > >When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't
>> > defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to
>> life,
>> > do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of
>> > America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not
>> kill
>> > it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the mud of America
>> > are the essential drivers of the American economic engine.
>> > >
>> > >Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change
>> > you can keep. So where am I going with all this? It's quite simple. If
>> any
>> > new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and
>> > simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the
>> > government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future.
>> > Frankly, it isn't my problem any more. Then, I will close this company
>> > down, move to another country, and retire.
>> > >
>> > >You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the
>> productive
>> > and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs
>> > will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.
>> > >
>> > >While tax cuts to 95% of America sounds great on paper, don't forget
>> the
>> > back story: If there is no job, there is no income to tax. A tax cut on
>> > zero dollars is zero. So, when you make decision to vote, ask yourself,
>> who
>> > understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose
>> > policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should
>> know
>> > who might be the one capable of saving your job. While the media wants
>> to
>> > tell you "It's the economy Stupid" I'm telling you it isn't.
>> > >
>> > >If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will
>> be
>> > at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country,
>> > steamrolled the Constitution, and will have changed its landscape
>> forever.
>> > If that happens, you can find me in the South Caribbeansitting on a
>> beach,
>> > retired, and with no employees to worry about.
>> > >
>> > >Signed, Your boss,/
>> > >/Michael A. Crowley, PE
>> > >Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc.
>> > >Professional Engineers
>> > >1906 South Main Street, Suite 122
>> > >Wake Forest, NC 27587
>> > >Phone: 919.562.8860 x22
>> > >Fax: 919.562.8872/
>> > >/Location: This is a real letter/
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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