[DeTomaso] unions and govenrment

Wed Nov 2 04:20:44 EDT 2011

Terry,

The subject doesn't always tell the whole story and mail threading doesn't
work very well with this mailing list. Why do I have to put with the spam
like this? I didn't sign up to this list to have to read stuff like this.
Creating a filter to delete everything from doug is easier. Maybe I'll need
to tune the filter later.

Due to my work environment supporting a worldwide Internet service I
receive hundreds and hundreds of emails a day (> 1,000 on a bad day).
Wasting time on off topic emails to a mailing list that devoted to a
specific topic is a huge waste of my time.

Sincerely,

Denny Morse
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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Terry Appleby <taappleby at bigpond.com>wrote:

> just hit the delete button, you don't have to read it!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Denny Morse
> Sent: 2011-11-01 18:11
> To: doug sedon
> Cc: Ken Green; michael at michaelshortt.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] unions and govenrment
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I only recently joined POCA and this mailing list. I never expected to have
> to read crap like this on a mailing list devoted to De Tomaso. I think
> postings like this really detracts from the quality of this mailing list as
> a whole. In my opinion this belongs on a different group mailing list.
> There are many many placed to state your economic and political positions,
> as well as religious opinions, etc., but this doesn't seem to be the right
> place for it.
>
> It's sad by I've had to create a gmail filter to delete anything to or from
> sedond at yahoo.com. Doug please keep these opinions on your blog where they
> belong.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Denny
> ----
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM, doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > what a narrow minded cretin.  what he fails to see is that he's no
> > different that the folks who work for him, according to those corporate
> > interests that are really running things!  and the corporate interests
> are
> > the ones running the show, not the dems or the repubs... he paid $288k in
> > taxes last quarter?!?  HAHAHAHA - he paid more than General Electric!!!!
> >
> >
> > doug s.,
> > #2602
> > ps - check your history - about what the regulation and tax burden was,
> > when the america's economy was doing best.  lemme give you a hint - it
> > wasn't when the tax/regulation rates were lower...
> > pps - the constitution certainly has bee steamrolled - corporations have
> > free speech rights and can give as much money as they like to
> politicians -
> > cuz they're PEOPLE!!!
> >
> >
> > >________________________________
> > >From: GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> > >To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > >Cc: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; "michael at michaelshortt.com" <
> > michael at michaelshortt.com>; "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com
> >
> > >Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:32 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] unions and govenrment
> > >
> > >
> > >*Subject:* This is the best letter I have read on what's wrong with this
> > country
> > >If you doubt, Google the company and man who wrote this…….
> > >*
> > >
> > >Michael A. Crowley, PE* is the owner of Crowley & Associates, Inc. And
> > was President and an owner of Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc. And
> Michael
> > A. Crowley, PC. As President of Crowley & Associates, Inc., Mike is a
> lead
> > designer of water supply, treatment and storage projects, regional sewage
> > lift station design, and residential and commercial site development
> > projects and is responsible for the management of the firm. Mike’s
> industry
> > background includes over 20 years experience in the civil engineering
> field
> > inclusive of executive level responsibilities in Marketing and Project
> > Management. Prior to founding Michael A. Crowley, PC, Mike held positions
> > with several engineering firms in North Carolina and Maine. Mike holds a
> > B.S. Degree in Civil Engineering from University of Maine and a Master of
> > Business Administration from Boston College. Mike is a member of the
> > American Water Works Association (AWWA) and holds professional
> > registrations in North
> >  Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Arkansas, Texas, Arizona,
> > New Mexico, Indiana, Maine, Tennessee, Australia, and Trinidad & Tobago,
> > West Indies. Mike is a native of Norridgewock, Maine. The Crowley family
> > resides in Wake Forest.
> > >/To All My Valued Employees,
> > >
> > >There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of
> this
> > company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has
> > changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good
> news
> > is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job.
> > >
> > >What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape
> > in this country. Of course, as your employer, I am forbidden to tell you
> > whom to vote for - it is against the law to discriminate based on
> political
> > affiliation, race, creed, religion, etc.
> > >
> > >Please vote for who you think will serve your interests the best.
> > However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you
> > decide what is in your best interest. First, while it is easy to spew
> > rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand
> > that for every business owner there is a back story.
> > >
> > >This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and
> > hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You saw my big home at
> > last years Christmas party. I'm sure all these flashy icons of luxury
> > conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life. However, what you don't
> > see is the back story.
> > >
> > >I started this company 12 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300
> > square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living space was
> > converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a
> > company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.
> > >
> > >My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent
> > went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a
> > defective transmission. I didn't have time to date Often times, I stayed
> > home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In
> fact,
> > I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.
> > >
> > >Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a
> > modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy
> cars
> > and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of
> > hitting Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling
> through
> > the Goodwill store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it
> > was birthed in the 70's.
> > >
> > >My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I,
> > however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business
> ---
> > with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford
> > these luxuries my friends supposedly had.
> > >
> > >So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9 am, mentally check in
> > at about noon, and then leave at 5 PM, I don't. There is no "off" button
> > for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend
> all
> > to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, ****, and
> > breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is
> no
> > weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to
> me
> > like a 1 day old baby.
> > >
> > >You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house,
> the
> > Mercedes, the vacations... You never realize the back story and the
> > sacrifices I've made. Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy
> that
> > made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail out all
> the
> > people who didn't.
> > >
> > >The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the
> > same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for. Yes,
> > business ownership has its benefits but the price I've paid is steep and
> > not without wounds. Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and
> > employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit
> and
> > let me tell you why:
> > >
> > >I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough.
> I
> > have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes.
> > Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on
> > taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess
> > what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and
> > regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of
> my
> > time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for
> > quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada.
> Zilch.
> > >
> > >The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy
> > who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000
> > people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother
> sitting
> > at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare
> check?
> > >
> > >Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this
> > country. The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck
> > you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's
> nuts.
> > Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree
> which
> > is why your job is in jeopardy. Here is what many of you don't understand
> > .. to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy.
> > Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes,
> > guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington
> > black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated
> > substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth
> of
> > that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can
> > forget it now.
> > >
> > >When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't
> > defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to
> life,
> > do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of
> > America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not
> kill
> > it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the mud of America
> > are the essential drivers of the American economic engine.
> > >
> > >Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change
> > you can keep. So where am I going with all this? It's quite simple. If
> any
> > new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and
> > simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the
> > government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future.
> > Frankly, it isn't my problem any more. Then, I will close this company
> > down, move to another country, and retire.
> > >
> > >You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive
> > and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs
> > will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.
> > >
> > >While tax cuts to 95% of America sounds great on paper, don't forget the
> > back story: If there is no job, there is no income to tax. A tax cut on
> > zero dollars is zero. So, when you make decision to vote, ask yourself,
> who
> > understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose
> > policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should
> know
> > who might be the one capable of saving your job. While the media wants to
> > tell you "It's the economy Stupid" I'm telling you it isn't.
> > >
> > >If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will
> be
> > at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country,
> > steamrolled the Constitution, and will have changed its landscape
> forever.
> > If that happens, you can find me in the South Caribbeansitting on a
> beach,
> > retired, and with no employees to worry about.
> > >
> > >Signed, Your boss,/
> > >/Michael A. Crowley, PE
> > >Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc.
> > >Professional Engineers
> > >1906 South Main Street, Suite 122
> > >Wake Forest, NC 27587
> > >Phone: 919.562.8860 x22
> > >Fax: 919.562.8872/
> > >/Location: This is a real letter/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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