[DeTomaso] Stiff springs and 1" sway bars! (was Re: DeAnzaAutocross)

L GRAY tipo874a at msn.com
Tue May 17 11:22:06 EDT 2011


     ...... I stand humbled by your inventiveness ! 

                                                                         Les ( NO air bag ) Gray
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  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Stiff springs and 1" sway bars! (was Re: DeAnzaAutocross)


  Hmmm could be Les, but it does have an air bag on it. Blow it up the right way and you are good to go!

   

  I do like the ride it gives you.

   

  Larry (as sick as you) J

   


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  From: L GRAY [mailto:tipo874a at msn.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:14 AM
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  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stiff springs and 1" sway bars! (was Re: DeAnzaAutocross)

   

  .............................maybe your "shock" wasn't up to the dampening job!!!  I'm just sayin'  . . . . . . . . . . 

   

                                                                                             Les ( heavy duty shock) Gray

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    From: Larry - Ohio Time Corp<mailto:larry at ohiotimecorp.com> 

    To: 'Thomas Tornblom'<mailto:thomas at hax.se> ; detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com> 

    Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:06 AM

    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stiff springs and 1" sway bars! (was Re: DeAnzaAutocross)

     

    <<too soft in the rear>>

    I dated a girl like that once...

    Larry (never soft) - Cleveland


    -----Original Message-----
    From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
    Behalf Of Thomas Tornblom
    Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:32 PM
    To: detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stiff springs and 1" sway bars! (was Re: De
    AnzaAutocross)

    Julian Kift skrev 2011-05-16 23.11:
    >
    > I am using the 1" bars with sphere ball ends, slightly lighter springs
    than Bob at 450/550#, works well on the GT5.

    What is stock on a GT5 (1984)?

    My car is too soft in the rear, even for highway cruising.

    Thomas

    >
    > I have seen a couple of the hollow bars snapped in two where the float
    washer is welded on, which maybe be more to do with the welding process than
    the hollow bar.
    >
    > Julian
    >
    >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:45:06 -0500
    >> From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com<mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
    >> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>
    >> CC: detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
    >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stiff springs and 1" sway bars! (was Re: De Anza
    Autocross)
    >>
    >> I am using solid bars, Ken.
    >>
    >> Kirby
    >>
    >> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 13:43, Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>>  wrote:
    >>
    >>> Are you guys using solid or hollow 1 inch bars?
    >>>
    >>> Ken
    >>>
    >>> --- On *Mon, 5/16/11, Kirby Schrader<kirby.schrader at gmail.com<mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com>>* wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> From: Kirby Schrader<kirby.schrader at gmail.com<mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com>>
    >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Stiff springs and 1" sway bars! (was Re: De Anza
    >>> Autocross)
    >>> To: RCBSONS1 at aol.com<mailto:RCBSONS1 at aol.com>, "Mike Trusty"<miketrusty at msn.com<mailto:miketrusty at msn.com>>
    >>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
    >>> Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 11:35 AM
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Bob,
    >>>
    >>> I would like to thank you VERY much, sir. I now feel vindicated!
    >>> :-)
    >>>
    >>> After more than 12 years of saying that stiffer springs and 1" sway bars
    >>> front and rear made my car handle much better and very neutral and then
    >>> being told there was no way that would work and I was wrong, I'm glad to
    >>> hear someone else is stating the same thing.
    >>>
    >>> Congratulations!
    >>>
    >>> Couldn't resist commenting,
    >>> Kirby
    >>>
    >>> (can't watch YouTube at work though..., I'll watch tonight at home)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at
    11:19,<RCBSONS1 at aol.com<http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RCBSONS<mailto:RCBSONS1@aol.com%3chttp://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RCBSONS>
    1 at aol.com<mailto:1 at aol.com>>>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I was all set to run the Firebird at this years 41st De Anza Autocross
    >>>> It is a fund raiser for the Auto Tech Department and also lets the kids
    >>>> tech your cars and run their project cars
    >>>>
    >>>> The Firebird has issues so I decided to run the Pantera
    >>>> Needed to drop the oil- Penn Brand now... so I did that on Saturday
    >>>> and also changed the collector gaskets as I think it
    >>>> was causing an off idle stumble
    >>>>
    >>>> Sunday morning it is sprinkling and by the time I decide
    >>>> to go it is really raining.. so much for cleaning up the car
    >>>> the night before... halfway there the car starts to stumble
    >>>> I almost turned around.. decided to go to do tech etc
    >>>> and then look at the car.. the collector gaskets- Alum were
    >>>> leaking all over.. did not compress like the others
    >>>>
    >>>> Called Rich my Pantera buddy and another set of gaskets
    >>>> would be coming.. we changed them in the rain and a little
    >>>> hail.. great day for an autocross... fired the car up and the stumble
    >>>> was gone....let it cool and retorqued
    >>>>
    >>>> I found a window in between showers and get in line
    >>>> then it starts to sprinkle again then rain.. but by the time
    >>>> I run it is sunny and dry... car ran good.. driver a little rusty
    >>>> as it has been five years since autocrossing
    >>>>
    >>>> Ran the car in Vintage group with 22 cars.. second place not a first
    >>>> but not bad.. one of my buddies told me a long time ago
    >>>> to put those seconds and third place trophies in a drawer
    >>>> Car pushed real bad the last time I ran with softer springs
    >>>> and lighter bars but is now neutral with the 550/750 springs
    >>>> and 1" bars on both ends..yes I had the rear bar on it and it works
    >>>> Got beat by a 911 Porch or Porshe
    >>>>
    >>>> At awards ceremony my buddy Dennis states how I send my
    >>>> registration in every year and say I am bringing the Firebird and
    >>>> then when I actually show up I bring the Pantera
    >>>> then he says is there anybody here who did not know which
    >>>> car was the Pantera.. gotta love those 180 headers
    >>>> The De Anza guy passed by me and says its kinda loud
    >>>> but then thanks me for bringing the car
    >>>> Earlier the kid at registration asks what car I am running and I say
    >>>> Pantera and he states not that nasty black one with the wing
    >>>> that ran a few years back... I say yea... thats the one
    >>>>
    >>>> Car did well and was well received and thankfully did not have
    >>>> that stumble it was doing earlier..I thanked Joe at Custom Alignment
    >>>> for letting me put the car in his booth and he says it always has
    >>>> a crowd around it.. some know the Pantera and others ask
    >>>> Thanks to my car buddies for helping out and giving support
    >>>> As always I talked to a few Pantera owners with cars not running
    >>>> and few about the Pantera in the Fast 5 movie
    >>>>
    >>>> Great day for the Detomaso name and a lot of fun.. better than my
    >>> Saturday
    >>>> drive....
    >>>> curbing two Kinesis wheels getting on the throttle in the wrong place
    >>>>
    >>>> Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera
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