[DeTomaso] 4 bolt ZF's? - here is one for sale

Thu May 12 15:23:52 EDT 2011

Well, based on that picture, I'd say they are most likely stock ones that
have been cut out for Group 4 flares as you suggested/he suggested
previously.

Hard to tell with out a 'top down' picture to see the profile....

They are certainly NOT Gr4 flares.... way too small.

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 14:17, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Kirby, I’ve attached pics of the flares in question…or the pic EJ sent
> to me. The list won’t get the pic obviously but I would be curious about
> your and Mike’s opinion of what the heck I’m looking at. Truth be told, I
> would like to have a set of the metal GTS flares…and I might just by the
> aftermarkets, they aren’t too pricey, but then these popped up on the radar.
> As I mentioned…EJ told me they were grp 4 but they don’t look like that at
> all to me…look more like factory cut outs…but the photo angle makes them
> look shallower than grp 4 flairs to me…
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> Thoughts?
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> *From:* Kirby Schrader [mailto:kirby.schrader at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:10 PM
> *To:* Cullen McCann
> *Cc:* detomaso at realbig.com
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> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] 4 bolt ZF's? - here is one for sale
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> If that EJ from Nebraska is the EJ I have met, then his last name is Poss.
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> If I remember correctly. I met him way back in 1985?, maybe 1986 at the
> Woody Creek track in Colorado.
> Ah, yes.... those were the days.... running Panteras on a go kart track.
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> EJ is a very nice guy who had a yellow '71. His license plate was 71 UFO
> and one of his friends told me that super bike guys in Omaha would warn each
> other NOT to take on the yellow car with the UFO license plate.
> They'd get beat.
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> EJ apparently had nitrous on it at the time.
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> I would bet the flares he is talking about are GTS flares. They 'look'
> stock off the car, but are slightly wider than the stock.
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> A lot of supposition above, but that may help.
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> FWIW,
> Kirby
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> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 13:48, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Friends,
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> So the reason that all of this discussion originally started is that I have
> found an ad for some misc pantera parts on craigslist in Omaha Nebraska.
> Here is the original link to the ad:
> http://omaha.craigslist.org/pts/2347054391.html
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> I corresponded with this guy for over a week about some things he had for
> sale, including the ZF and got detailed photos of it and some sheet metal.
> Here is some additional info. His name is EJ. He definitely has a dash 1 ZF
> "4 bolt". It does not appear to have the bell housing, at least it's not in
> the pictures. Actually I haven't clarified. Photos show details of the
> manufacturing tag and gearing. He has told me he used to have an early 71
> and these are mostly parts left over from it years ago. On the ZF he states
> he doesn't really know what its worth.but from talking to him I think he
> knows enough not to be low balled like 500 bucks or something. He asked me
> to make an offer.I never did, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could buy
> it pretty cheap. I am not interested in it for myself. He says it was
> rebuilt by Butfoy in the early 80s.and still has Roy's tag on the case. It
> was stored indoors in his warehouse where it resides now. He has sent me
> photos of it, in good detail. It does appear to be rebuilt from the photos
> and does have a tag on it with recognizable hand writing. The ZF serial
> info
> is clearly visible so I assume you could contact Roy and he might have
> records of the build, but I don't know.
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> If you want me to send you photos of this gearbox let me know. it has the
> gearing on the tag that matches what John Buckman provided for early Dash 1
> gearing: Early Pantera dash 1 gearing:
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> 1st:    2.42
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> 2nd:  1.47
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> 3rd:   1.09
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> 4th:   0.96
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> 5th:   0.705
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> Rev: 2.86
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> This seller also says he has some other items for sale. He has some flairs
> that he told me he thought where aftermarket metal Grp 4 flairs. He sent me
> photos of them but to me they are pretty clearly stock body fender flares
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> lips that have been cut out of the car, I assume so somebody could install
> wide body flares at some point. I have a pic of those as well, and he has a
> passenger rear corner patch panel with taillight housing and exhaust
> cutout,
> with a portion of the rear valance. Looks like a fabricated piece to me
> rather than cut from an original car but certainly could be worth something
> if you had corner damage on the pass rear.
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> Those are all the photos I have that he sent me, all that I inquired about,
> but he says he also has these items: a 71 dash and console, two "trunk
> pods", compact spares, and L style bumper, stock exhaust system, carbs and
> air cleaners, dip stick. Has a couple of oem suspension items, like a set
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> control arms, front calipers and new front and rear pads "in the box".
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> I'm passing this info on for the list's use. I talked to EJ just yesterday
> and told him I was going to pass this info on to the masses.he told me he
> will be putting the items he has for sale on ebay simply because he doesn't
> know what they are worth..and he feels that the auction nature will
> inherently determine that.
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> Good luck!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:53 PM
> To: michaelsavga at gmail.com
> Cc: guson at home.se; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 4 bolt ZF's?
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> In a message dated 5/7/11 17 13 16, michaelsavga at gmail.com writes:
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> > Thanks , as always there is more to the story.
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> I certainly wouldn't feel bad if I had a Dash-1 gearbox in my car.   One
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> downside is that parts are substantially more expensive, so rebuilding one
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> becomes a time-consuming and expensive proposition.   All parts are still
> being
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> made for them however.   If you had an unusual problem it might take quite
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> a few months to get an unusual part replicated.
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> Mike
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