[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 83, Issue 13
Edward A. Nauman
enauman at roadrunner.com
Mon Jun 13 15:19:09 EDT 2011
Clay,
Look at my steering rack mount on Mike Daly's Pantera Place website. It
cured a lot of my steering anomalies. It takes a little fabrication but it
eliminates the stamped sheet metal rack mount and it stiffens the chassis as
well. If you are in Calif and you think you might want to do the mod, I
will gladly help.
Ed
Edward A. Nauman
Palmdale, Ca
"Life's tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid"
-John Wayne
Thought for the day:
There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary: Those who do, and those
who don't.
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> 1. Throw Out Bearing Cross Referene #? (Dan F. Courtney)
> 2. Throw Out Bearing Cross Referene #? (Dan F. Courtney)
> 3. steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises (clay willmott)
> 4. Team Pantera Canada (LS)
> 5. Re: steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises (doug351c)
> 6. 15" rims (deserttwist at juno.com)
> 7. Re: Throw Out Bearing Cross Referene #? (doug351c)
> 8. Re: no electricity from switch to starter (mark skwarek)
> 9. Wiring Diagram Software (MyCars)
> 10. Window motor (mark skwarek)
> 11. Re: Wiring Diagram Software (Dave Londry)
> 12. Re: steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises (Julian Kift)
> 13. Re: Window motor (Julian Kift)
> 14. Have you seen this Pantera Concept? (Rob Dumoulin)
> 15. Re: Wiring Diagram Software (gow2 at rc-tech.net)
> 16. Re: Wiring Diagram Software (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 17. Re: Wiring Diagram Software (SOBill at aol.com)
> 18. yes (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
> 19. Re: Wiring Diagram Software (corey price)
> 20. Re: Wiring Diagram Software (GW)
> 21. Re: steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises (Will
> Kooiman)
> 22. 2011 Reno POCA Fun Rally Videos (WLHPANTERA at aol.com)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:02:14 -0700
> From: "Dan F. Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Throw Out Bearing Cross Referene #?
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, JDeRyke at aol.com
> Message-ID: <E096DFA0273F4B519653764C23DD78E9 at PC203052436646>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Does anyone know if there is a cross reference number for the throw-out
> bearing?
> It looks like this town just has a Napa and an Autozone.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> PS: Couldn't get enough days to come up from San Diego for the rally
> this year, bummer.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:08:32 -0700
> From: "Dan F. Courtney" <dfcex at pacbell.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Throw Out Bearing Cross Referene #?
> To: "Detomaso Forum" <detomaso at list.realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <2EA963CFDCD6409C95672B89E1078E06 at PC203052436646>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Does anyone know if there is a cross reference number for the throw-out
> bearing?
> It looks like this town just has a Napa and an Autozone.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> PS: Couldn't get enough days to come up from San Diego for the rally
> this year, bummer.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 09:30:56 -0400
> From: clay willmott <claywillmott at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises
> To: Pantera Forum <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT130-w4607EB89507D81F69E9AE4C4660 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I rebuilt the entire front suspension and then had the expert in
> Cincinnati align and double check everything and 4 corner weight
> balance etc. he does the other panteras and is a suspension guy mainly
> and does some of the Lemans teams and said everything looked
> great.WHile doing this I used all the best parts and the car appears
> structurally sound at a arm sites of attachment.
> I had the rack out of the car and its an early 71 pushbutton car.I had
> the suspension guy inspect the rack, it had a bronze bushing and the
> set screw is intact. I told him rebuild he said didnt need it and he
> took it apart (i think).I also purchased the bump steer kit from a Poca
> member and mounted all that before final alignment.
> The car while driving 5 mph on even a decent road has a lot of noise
> such as rattles creaks and groans coming from the rack and I can feel
> it transmitted to hands from steering wheel. Its even more noisy with
> any small bumps into driveway or just the tiny bumps in road of
> neighborhood while driving very slow and not turning the wheel. These
> are seams in the road and cannot be felt or heard in any normal car
> fyi. Sounds like something is loose or wants to fall apart. When
> turning wheel right to left its also noisy but even before the guy "re
> built or inspected the rack", whatever he did to it, it never had the
> big single clunk everyone talks about.
> Is the rack bad? I was told it wasnt bad when i had it out?also, I did
> find it difficult to mount the bump steer kit but the bolts are tight.
> Nothing appears loose. However it seems the tie rods are angled a bit
> due to the bump steer kit?
> I guess my three questions are:
> 1. Is the Bump steer kit making matters worse?2. Is the rack bad?3.
> If I remove the bump steer and remount old way I doubt that would fix
> problem but would alignment change? Hoping to fix all this without big
> money alignment again.
> thankswanna get this fixed, again!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 08:33:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Team Pantera Canada
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <484267.91515.qm at web161717.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> What a great night...despite the rain and cold temps, the Team Pantera
> Canada
> dinner?in Little Italy was an incredible time.
>
> I came up with my group of Ferrari, Lambo, Shelby, Porsche and Corvette
> guys
> from Wash, DC.
>
> We?met at Casa Napoli?where Mark, Denis, Michel, David, Will and others
> provided
> us with plenty of hospitality.
>
> We cannot wait until next year..thanks to all!
>
> Lashdeep (Hungover in Montreal)
>
>
> ?
>
>
> "But the people who said that the 289 (Cobra) wasn't a good handling
> car didn't
> know what they were talking about. Compared to what?. That FIA Cobra
> handled
> like a dream -- and was fast too." -- Dan Gurney
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:09:30 -0700
> From: "doug351c" <doug351c at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and
> noises
> To: "clay willmott" <claywillmott at hotmail.com>, "Pantera Forum"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <NGBBJDKLOLBENCGCLNBFMEDGNNAA.doug351c at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Jack up one front corner at a time, grasp the tire at 3 and 9 o'clock,
> and
> rock the tire back and forth vigorously by hand. Hopefully you'll
> hear/feel
> a clunk. If so, have someone else look for the source of the clunk
> while
> you rock the tire/wheel. Do this check on both sides.
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of clay willmott
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 6:31 AM
> To: Pantera Forum
> Subject: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises
>
>
>
> I rebuilt the entire front suspension and then had the expert in
> Cincinnati
> align and double check everything and 4 corner weight balance etc. he
> does
> the other panteras and is a suspension guy mainly and does some of the
> Lemans teams and said everything looked great.WHile doing this I used
> all
> the best parts and the car appears structurally sound at a arm sites of
> attachment.
> I had the rack out of the car and its an early 71 pushbutton car.I had
> the
> suspension guy inspect the rack, it had a bronze bushing and the set
> screw
> is intact. I told him rebuild he said didnt need it and he took it
> apart (i
> think).I also purchased the bump steer kit from a Poca member and
> mounted
> all that before final alignment.
> The car while driving 5 mph on even a decent road has a lot of noise
> such as
> rattles creaks and groans coming from the rack and I can feel it
> transmitted
> to hands from steering wheel. Its even more noisy with any small bumps
> into
> driveway or just the tiny bumps in road of neighborhood while driving
> very
> slow and not turning the wheel. These are seams in the road and cannot
> be
> felt or heard in any normal car fyi. Sounds like something is loose or
> wants to fall apart. When turning wheel right to left its also noisy
> but
> even before the guy "re built or inspected the rack", whatever he did
> to it,
> it never had the big single clunk everyone talks about.
> Is the rack bad? I was told it wasnt bad when i had it out?also, I did
> find
> it difficult to mount the bump steer kit but the bolts are tight.
> Nothing
> appears loose. However it seems the tie rods are angled a bit due to
> the
> bump steer kit?
> I guess my three questions are:
> 1. Is the Bump steer kit making matters worse?2. Is the rack bad?3.
> If I
> remove the bump steer and remount old way I doubt that would fix
> problem but
> would alignment change? Hoping to fix all this without big money
> alignment
> again.
> thankswanna get this fixed, again!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:41:16 GMT
> From: "deserttwist at juno.com" <deserttwist at juno.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] 15" rims
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <20110612.114116.15700.0 at webmail19.dca.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> I want to thank everyone for their concern and help with this most
> unsolvable problem. I feel like I have learned enough about tires,
> sizes an width that I could apply for a job with any tire dealer.
> Jeff Udelson, Atlanta, Ga, Car#4134, came to my rescue with a most
> gracious offer to take the BFG T/A's off his car and sending them to me
> for the cost of dismount and frt. I can't thank him enough for his
> generosity. My SHE CAT will be back on the road in a week.
> You are all wonderful, thanks Sue
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:41:54 -0700
> From: "doug351c" <doug351c at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Throw Out Bearing Cross Referene #?
> To: "Dan F. Courtney" <dan at excaliburre.com>, "Detomaso Forum"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <NGBBJDKLOLBENCGCLNBFCEDHNNAA.doug351c at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> My info shows
>
> NAPA / 1625-T
>
> Federal-Mogul / FB1625-C
>
> BCA / 1625-12
>
> Ford C7AZ-7580-A
>
> Note: TSB 3-20 lists D16Y-7580-B for newer transaxles but all the
> articles I
> 've found call for the C7AZ part for all cars.
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #550
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Dan F. Courtney
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 5:09 AM
> To: Detomaso Forum
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Throw Out Bearing Cross Referene #?
>
>
> Does anyone know if there is a cross reference number for the throw-out
> bearing?
> It looks like this town just has a Napa and an Autozone.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> PS: Couldn't get enough days to come up from San Diego for the rally
> this
> year, bummer.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:20:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] no electricity from switch to starter
> To: detomaso at realbig.com, SOBill at aol.com
> Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com
> Message-ID: <416558.88096.qm at web126108.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all for your comments. It turned out to be the terminal
> connection at the solenoid.
>
> Thanks again,
> Mark
> ?
>
> --- On Fri, 6/10/11, SOBill at aol.com <SOBill at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: SOBill at aol.com <SOBill at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] no electricity from switch to starter
> To: ehpantera at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 7:57 PM
>
>
>
> Mark,
> ?
> In my experience, the lest reliable parts of electrical systems are the
> connections ..... not the wires.
> ?
> Either the ignition switch internals, the connections to-from the
> terminal strip or the connections at the starter solenoid ...... you
> get the idea.
> ?
> The best method of finding the problem is verify that voltage exists at
> each junction point. Start at the final destination and work back
> toward the source. Why start at the final destination? ..... the
> starter solenoid might be the problem.
> ?
> What tool to use? A small, inexpensive?digital multimeter ...... you
> can measure voltage and resistance. These are available at any auto
> parts sore, electronics store, Amazon (DT830B ~$10), Harbor Freight
> (#37772 ~$20). I prefer non-autoranging meters. I have never seen a
> trouble lamp ........... one of these things with a probe, an alligator
> clip, and a light bulb that wasn't so cheaply made that it was more
> likely to be the source of trouble itself.
> ?
> Then you need to understand how the electrical circuit works. All the
> basic, individual?Pantera electrical circuits are available at
> http://www.panteraplace.com/page107.htm.
> ?
> Have fun today,
>
> sobill at aol.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:00:43 -0700
> From: MyCars <MyCars at Comcast.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiring Diagram Software
> To: deTomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <4DF528FB.8010209 at Comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Anyone know of some good software for doing wiring diagrams?
>
> I downloaded TinyCad yesterday ... but it seems to be more geared
> towards circuit boards.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Window motor
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <648215.12396.qm at web126103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> My pass window goes down but not up. When I push the switch to go up,
> there is a slight buzzing (arcing)?sound in the motor.? Does it need to
> be replaced or rebuilt?
> ?
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:31:34 -0700
> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring Diagram Software
> To: MyCars <MyCars at Comcast.net>
> Cc: deTomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <4DF53036.4080702 at emspace.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> There are cad programs for wiring harnesses, but no free ones that I
> know of.
> wirecad costs about $2K
> ewcad is free but it's meant for housewiring.
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ewcad/
>
> progecad or intellicad are the best general-purpose ones you'll see for
> free.
> This is a free download of progecad - free because its 2009.
> http://www.progesoft.com/en/smart-2009
> dave
>
> On 6/12/2011 2:00 PM, MyCars wrote:
> > Anyone know of some good software for doing wiring diagrams?
> >
> > I downloaded TinyCad yesterday ... but it seems to be more geared
> > towards circuit boards.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:57:38 -0700
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and
> noises
> To: <doug351c at gmail.com>, <claywillmott at hotmail.com>, De Tomaso List
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT116-W284E98763CBC5DF5317B3795660 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Personally I would suspect a suspension problem. Mechanical feeling can
> easily be transmitted back through the tie rods, rack and be felt
> through the steering wheel. Did your suspension rebuild change anything
> geometry wise, is something binding when the suspension is unloaded now
> the rack is lower? Did you check the sway bar mounts during the rebuild
> process they are known to crack in two allowing the sway bar to move.
> As Doug says trying moving it all around, maybe also try that in
> different unload positions i.e. wheels free from the ground, on ground
> suspension partially unloaded to see if you can detect/reproduce the
> problem.
>
> Good luck,
> Julian
>
> > From: doug351c at gmail.com
> > To: claywillmott at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:09:30 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and
> noises
> >
> > Jack up one front corner at a time, grasp the tire at 3 and 9
> o'clock, and
> > rock the tire back and forth vigorously by hand. Hopefully you'll
> hear/feel
> > a clunk. If so, have someone else look for the source of the clunk
> while
> > you rock the tire/wheel. Do this check on both sides.
> >
> > Doug Braun
> > blue 73L #5505
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of clay willmott
> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 6:31 AM
> > To: Pantera Forum
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises
> >
> >
> >
> > I rebuilt the entire front suspension and then had the expert in
> Cincinnati
> > align and double check everything and 4 corner weight balance etc. he
> does
> > the other panteras and is a suspension guy mainly and does some of
> the
> > Lemans teams and said everything looked great.WHile doing this I used
> all
> > the best parts and the car appears structurally sound at a arm sites
> of
> > attachment.
> > I had the rack out of the car and its an early 71 pushbutton car.I
> had the
> > suspension guy inspect the rack, it had a bronze bushing and the set
> screw
> > is intact. I told him rebuild he said didnt need it and he took it
> apart (i
> > think).I also purchased the bump steer kit from a Poca member and
> mounted
> > all that before final alignment.
> > The car while driving 5 mph on even a decent road has a lot of noise
> such as
> > rattles creaks and groans coming from the rack and I can feel it
> transmitted
> > to hands from steering wheel. Its even more noisy with any small
> bumps into
> > driveway or just the tiny bumps in road of neighborhood while driving
> very
> > slow and not turning the wheel. These are seams in the road and
> cannot be
> > felt or heard in any normal car fyi. Sounds like something is loose
> or
> > wants to fall apart. When turning wheel right to left its also noisy
> but
> > even before the guy "re built or inspected the rack", whatever he did
> to it,
> > it never had the big single clunk everyone talks about.
> > Is the rack bad? I was told it wasnt bad when i had it out?also, I
> did find
> > it difficult to mount the bump steer kit but the bolts are tight.
> Nothing
> > appears loose. However it seems the tie rods are angled a bit due to
> the
> > bump steer kit?
> > I guess my three questions are:
> > 1. Is the Bump steer kit making matters worse?2. Is the rack bad?3.
> If I
> > remove the bump steer and remount old way I doubt that would fix
> problem but
> > would alignment change? Hoping to fix all this without big money
> alignment
> > again.
> > thankswanna get this fixed, again!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:03:34 -0700
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window motor
> To: <ehpantera at yahoo.com>, De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT116-W46766CB4BDDF3E4FEFAC295660 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Its most likely the window motor plastic gear broken, so pull the
> window regulator and if so obtain brass replacement gears for both
> windows from a vendor or you could take the opportunity to make the
> modification to Taurus or Aerostar motors.
>
> Julian
>
> > Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:19:37 -0700
> > From: ehpantera at yahoo.com
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Window motor
> >
> > My pass window goes down but not up. When I push the switch to go up,
> there is a slight buzzing (arcing) sound in the motor. Does it need to
> be replaced or rebuilt?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:10:28 -0400
> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Have you seen this Pantera Concept?
> To: pantera list <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=K6WfJ+vBsm_9FGsVnDBnJfzbJmQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Anybody have any insight? They did a good job matching the original
> except
> for calling it PANTHERA.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeWLB-HM-Zc&NR=1
>
>
>
> --
> Rob
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:25:57 -0500
> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring Diagram Software
> To: "MyCars" <MyCars at Comcast.net>
> Cc: deTomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> I drew up a from scratch wiring diagram for my car. I am locating the
> fuse
> panel in the front trunk. I used Corel Draw. I print it out on tabloid
> paper.
>
> Gary
>
>
> > Anyone know of some good software for doing wiring diagrams?
> >
> > I downloaded TinyCad yesterday ... but it seems to be more geared
> > towards circuit boards.
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:18:24 -0400
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring Diagram Software
> To: gow2 at rc-tech.net, DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at realbig.com>,
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> i have seen two installions in progress of the Isis system, that's what
> i
> would do if i were building the car that you are . It is amazing.
>
> GPS speedometers with NO cable., very cool.
>
> Michael Shortt
> On Jun 12, 2011 7:00 PM, <gow2 at rc-tech.net> wrote:
> > I drew up a from scratch wiring diagram for my car. I am locating the
> fuse
> > panel in the front trunk. I used Corel Draw. I print it out on
> tabloid
> > paper.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >> Anyone know of some good software for doing wiring diagrams?
> >>
> >> I downloaded TinyCad yesterday ... but it seems to be more geared
> >> towards circuit boards.
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:11:25 -0400 (EDT)
> From: SOBill at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring Diagram Software
> To: MyCars at Comcast.net
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> Something to think about: If you want others to use your diagrams, the
> best vehicle for distribution is PDF.
>
> Another something to think about: All CAD programs require significant
> effort to learn. Pick a CAD program which has a large user base and
> free
> tutorials on the web. Google SketchUp (I believe has have free
> versions) could
> be used as a line drawing program which you can expand to dimensioned
> 3D
> drawings later.
>
> There are several freeware programs which intercept the CAD program
> output
> to the printer, convert it to PDF, and save the PDF as a file.
>
> I use Autocad to make my diagrams because I know how to use it and
> because
> I got it free from my son. I use PrimoPDF to convert the printer out
> to
> the PDF file.
>
> Have fun today,
>
> sobill at aol.com
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:39:59 -0400
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] yes
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Thank you Dallas from all of the Cavs fans.
>
>
>
>
>
> Larry (La Looser is gone) - Claveland
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>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:05:05 -0600
> From: corey price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring Diagram Software
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
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> AutoCAD isn't really geared toward circuits, but could be used
> nevertheless. Google sktechup is great, but is geared really toward 3D
> stuff. (Our CAD operators call it "Crayola CAD", but our architect
> clients love it. I think the architecture world is being changed by
> building information modeling software, such as Revit and is going away
> from AutoCAD.)
>
> I'm considering the ISIS system, but it's expensive. I think Gary was
> looking at a custom harness from scratch if I remember correctly. My
> harness is stilling in a box, still connected to most switches and the
> console. I'm not looking forward to deciphering it, so starting fresh
> is very tempting, especially with a system that removes high-current
> loads from the switches such as the ISIS system.
>
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2011, at 5:18 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
>
> > i have seen two installions in progress of the Isis system, that's
> what i
> > would do if i were building the car that you are . It is amazing.
> >
> > GPS speedometers with NO cable., very cool.
> >
> > Michael Shortt
> > On Jun 12, 2011 7:00 PM, <gow2 at rc-tech.net> wrote:
> >> I drew up a from scratch wiring diagram for my car. I am locating
> the fuse
> >> panel in the front trunk. I used Corel Draw. I print it out on
> tabloid
> >> paper.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>> Anyone know of some good software for doing wiring diagrams?
> >>>
> >>> I downloaded TinyCad yesterday ... but it seems to be more geared
> >>> towards circuit boards.
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:36:33 -0600
> From: GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring Diagram Software
> To: corey price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> The Corel I use is an older version yet quite capable. I export files
> for the CNC on a regular basis from it in CAD format. Older versions
> are
> cheap on ebay. I am using v12.
>
> I have mixed feelings about the Isis. In some respects it is neat, in
> others, I don't really get the advantage. For instance, it will tell
> you
> if a light bulb is out? If you put in your own wire harness I think you
> can trouble shoot your own bulb. I understand the advantage of how
> current is managed, but I think that can be addressed with relays to
> satisfaction in any system.
>
> In the end it boils down to what keeps you awake thinking about it at
> night. In the end these are hobby cars and it boils down to what you
> want to work on or play with.
>
> Gary
>
> corey price wrote:
> > AutoCAD isn't really geared toward circuits, but could be used
> nevertheless. Google sktechup is great, but is geared really toward 3D
> stuff. (Our CAD operators call it "Crayola CAD", but our architect
> clients love it. I think the architecture world is being changed by
> building information modeling software, such as Revit and is going away
> from AutoCAD.)
> >
> > I'm considering the ISIS system, but it's expensive. I think Gary
> was looking at a custom harness from scratch if I remember correctly.
> My harness is stilling in a box, still connected to most switches and
> the console. I'm not looking forward to deciphering it, so starting
> fresh is very tempting, especially with a system that removes high-
> current loads from the switches such as the ISIS system.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 12, 2011, at 5:18 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >> i have seen two installions in progress of the Isis system, that's
> what i
> >> would do if i were building the car that you are . It is amazing.
> >>
> >> GPS speedometers with NO cable., very cool.
> >>
> >> Michael Shortt
> >> On Jun 12, 2011 7:00 PM, <gow2 at rc-tech.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I drew up a from scratch wiring diagram for my car. I am locating
> the fuse
> >>> panel in the front trunk. I used Corel Draw. I print it out on
> tabloid
> >>> paper.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Anyone know of some good software for doing wiring diagrams?
> >>>>
> >>>> I downloaded TinyCad yesterday ... but it seems to be more geared
> >>>> towards circuit boards.
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:27:04 -0500
> From: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and
> noises
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> Rattles, creaks, and groans?
>
> What about the wheel bearings?
>
> What about the rotors and pads?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-
> bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Julian Kift
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 4:58 PM
> To: doug351c at gmail.com; claywillmott at hotmail.com; De Tomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises
>
>
> Personally I would suspect a suspension problem. Mechanical feeling can
> easily be transmitted back through the tie rods, rack and be felt
> through
> the steering wheel. Did your suspension rebuild change anything
> geometry
> wise, is something binding when the suspension is unloaded now the rack
> is
> lower? Did you check the sway bar mounts during the rebuild process
> they are
> known to crack in two allowing the sway bar to move. As Doug says
> trying
> moving it all around, maybe also try that in different unload positions
> i.e.
> wheels free from the ground, on ground suspension partially unloaded to
> see
> if you can detect/reproduce the problem.
>
> Good luck,
> Julian
>
> > From: doug351c at gmail.com
> > To: claywillmott at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:09:30 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and
> noises
> >
> > Jack up one front corner at a time, grasp the tire at 3 and 9
> o'clock, and
> > rock the tire back and forth vigorously by hand. Hopefully you'll
> hear/feel
> > a clunk. If so, have someone else look for the source of the clunk
> while
> > you rock the tire/wheel. Do this check on both sides.
> >
> > Doug Braun
> > blue 73L #5505
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of clay willmott
> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 6:31 AM
> > To: Pantera Forum
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises
> >
> >
> >
> > I rebuilt the entire front suspension and then had the expert in
> Cincinnati
> > align and double check everything and 4 corner weight balance etc. he
> does
> > the other panteras and is a suspension guy mainly and does some of
> the
> > Lemans teams and said everything looked great.WHile doing this I used
> all
> > the best parts and the car appears structurally sound at a arm sites
> of
> > attachment.
> > I had the rack out of the car and its an early 71 pushbutton car.I
> had the
> > suspension guy inspect the rack, it had a bronze bushing and the set
> screw
> > is intact. I told him rebuild he said didnt need it and he took it
> apart
> (i
> > think).I also purchased the bump steer kit from a Poca member and
> mounted
> > all that before final alignment.
> > The car while driving 5 mph on even a decent road has a lot of noise
> such
> as
> > rattles creaks and groans coming from the rack and I can feel it
> transmitted
> > to hands from steering wheel. Its even more noisy with any small
> bumps
> into
> > driveway or just the tiny bumps in road of neighborhood while driving
> very
> > slow and not turning the wheel. These are seams in the road and
> cannot be
> > felt or heard in any normal car fyi. Sounds like something is loose
> or
> > wants to fall apart. When turning wheel right to left its also noisy
> but
> > even before the guy "re built or inspected the rack", whatever he did
> to
> it,
> > it never had the big single clunk everyone talks about.
> > Is the rack bad? I was told it wasnt bad when i had it out?also, I
> did
> find
> > it difficult to mount the bump steer kit but the bolts are tight.
> Nothing
> > appears loose. However it seems the tie rods are angled a bit due to
> the
> > bump steer kit?
> > I guess my three questions are:
> > 1. Is the Bump steer kit making matters worse?2. Is the rack bad?3.
> If I
> > remove the bump steer and remount old way I doubt that would fix
> problem
> but
> > would alignment change? Hoping to fix all this without big money
> alignment
> > again.
> > thankswanna get this fixed, again!
> >
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 01:33:01 EDT
> From: WLHPANTERA at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] 2011 Reno POCA Fun Rally Videos
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Here are Youtube links to five very short videos that I put together
> of
> the 2011 POCA Fun Rally in Reno.
> I hope you enjoy them.
>
> Bill Harris
> TPOC
>
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIdXwLC8s5Q_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIdXwLC8s5Q)
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24QFbEcmzqY_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24QFbEcmzqY)
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHeL-p8Q304_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHeL-p8Q304)
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQHXNXAazEA_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQHXNXAazEA)
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtWfQ2NuU64_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtWfQ2NuU64)
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