[DeTomaso] New Pantera story - 2011 LA Auto Show??

wkooiman at earthlink.net wkooiman at earthlink.net
Wed Jul 6 17:16:51 EDT 2011 

My dad recently bought a top of the line, brand new King Ranch F150 for $51K.

And then he bought a bottom of the line POS 1962 F100 work truck for $500 to replace the cash-for-clunkers F150 that he  sold to my brother.  He bought the cash-for-clunkers F150 to replace the POS F100 clunker.  He had the F100 clunker as a farm truck because he didn't want to get his King Ranch dirty.

I think he just likes to buy things.  He also has 4 tractors.  2 of them run.  It isn't always the same 2.

What were we talking about?

Oh yeah, Pantera prices.  I don't think it's reasonable to expect to buy a low volume exotic for $60K.  Under $100K should be possible, though.  Kirkham is pretty close with a nearly-all aluminum 427 Cobra.  Under $100K or low $100's is what I'd expect for a pretty decent brand new Pantera.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 5, 2011 8:11 PM
>To: erpike at ymail.com, jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com, De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera story - 2011 LA Auto Show??
>
>
>In 1970 you could buy a Lambhorghini Miura for $19,750, today you can buy it for $500K to $1M. You can buy the modern equivament Murcielago for MSRP $360-$455K, what does this mean? Nothing really, just you can make an argument any way you want depending who you think the target buyer is for a new Pantera. The closest equivalent I can think of is the Ford GT, with MSRP of $155K and trading well above that or an Audi R8 at $196K. Thinking a new Pantera could ever be had for $60K is ludicrous IMO, you can hardly get a new top of the range F150 for that money.
> 
>The best we can hope for is that a new Pantera brings a resurgence of interest and better appreciation for the classic Pantera thus increasing values, much like the surge in GT40 replicas since the new GT.
> 
>Julian
> 
>
>> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:51:34 -0700
>> From: erpike at ymail.com
>> To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com; detomaso at realbig.com; fresnofinches at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera story - 2011 LA Auto Show??
>> 
>> How about this comparision then....
>>  
>> In 1972 a Pantera cost about 11,000. You could buy a top of the line Lincoln for about 11,000. 
>>  
>> Today you can buy a top of the line Lincoln for about 65,000 .... therefore to be the "same" kind of car. a new Pantera should run about the same??
>>  
>> Just a thought....
>>  
>> Ed....
>> 
>> From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera story - 2011 LA Auto Show??
>> 
>> Well, lets be fair.  The inflation factor may get you a car equivalent to 
>> the one you purchased in 1972 for $60,000. And by golly, you can by a great 
>> '72 Pantera today for $60,000
>> 
>> However, today's cars are an order of magnitude far superior in many 
>> aspects.  One would assume that this time around you may get a car that is 
>> 100,000 miles between tune-ups verses 30000 for a total rebuild.  You may 
>> not see rust for 10 years verses three seasons.  The AC may actually work 
>> and the radiators actually cool.  The chassis flex may be minimized to 
>> enhance handling and steering effort reduced at slow speeds for those in 
>> need.  Accident survivability would be improved with adequate restraint 
>> systems and air bags.  The glove box may not double as a water collector and 
>> the climate control systems may move forward from the stone age.  Driving 
>> lights may extend beyond 10 candlewatt and seats may be adjustable.  My 
>> point is that it ought to be a lot more car than we had in 1972.  I am not 
>> defending it's eventual cost or whether the enhancements will be perceived 
>> as real or worthwhile by buyers.  I am only stating that with govt mandates 
>> and the rising bar of expectations by buyers based on modern car 
>> experiences, ( where are those cup holders and GPS?) the inflation point is 
>> interesting and perhaps effectively plays on peoples emotions to make them 
>> feel they are getting screwed; but it is misleading.
>> 
>> JT
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>
>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 3:13 PM
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New Pantera story - 2011 LA Auto Show??
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > I'm with Charlie on this - where is the "promised" Deauvillle??
>> >
>> > Additionally, accounting for inflation, the $11,000 cost of a Pantera in 
>> > 1972
>> > now equates to about $60,000 current dollars.
>> >
>> > If the article's quoted ballpark figure of 150,000 GBP is correct, that 
>> > would
>> > be equal to about $250,000.
>> >
>> > That means the "new" Pantera will NOT be in the same league as the 
>> > original
>> > Pantera.
>> >
>> > Whole new ballgame.
>> >
>> > Probably one to be called off prior to even starting, on account of no one 
>> > showing up at the field.
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >
>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> >
>> > Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/
>> >
>> > DeTomaso mailing list
>> > DeTomaso at list.realbig.com
>> > http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> 
>> Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/
>> 
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> DeTomaso at list.realbig.com
>> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> 
>> Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/
>> 
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> DeTomaso at list.realbig.com
>> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 		 	   		  
>_______________________________________________
>
>Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>
>Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/
>
>DeTomaso mailing list
>DeTomaso at list.realbig.com
>http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

More information about the DeTomaso mailing list