[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 78, Issue 21
Trip Owen
lance730 at msn.com
Fri Jan 21 07:58:22 EST 2011
Although I understand Kirk Evans installed the motors for the gt5s cars he imported, is there any "value" to keeping
the block that the car came with - "numbers matching" - does it matter, as compared to huge difference
when restoring a Corvette?
Trip Owen
DC
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> 1. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
> 2. NPC - old Austin-Healey (Bill Lewis)
> 3. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Bill Lewis)
> 4. Re: The joys of being Drewsastered (Bill Lewis)
> 5. Re: The joys of being Drewsastered (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 6. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Robert Douglas)
> 7. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 8. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Rob Dumoulin)
> 9. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
> 10. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Ken Green)
> 11. Coil overs (D421996 at aol.com)
> 12. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 13. Re: Coil overs (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 14. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Robert Douglas)
> 15. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Sean Korb)
> 16. Re: Coil overs (Jim Gray)
> 17. Re: Coil overs (JDeRyke at aol.com)
> 18. Re: Coil overs (Julian Kift)
> 19. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Curt Hall)
> 20. Re: Coil overs (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 21. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Ken Green)
> 22. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Robert Douglas)
> 23. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Lynn Wall)
> 24. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Gray Gregory)
> 25. Re: Coil overs (Asa Jay Laughton)
> 26. Re: Coil overs (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 27. Re: Coil overs (Julian Kift)
> 28. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Ken Green)
> 29. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 30. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Curt Hall)
> 31. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Szwab,Konrad,HOUSTON,IT)
> 32. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (JJD1010 at aol.com)
> 33. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Robert Douglas)
> 34. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Curt Hall)
> 35. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (JJD1010 at aol.com)
> 36. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Curt Hall)
> 37. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Lynn Wall)
> 38. Pantera burnout (Garth Rodericks)
> 39. Re: Pantera burnout (Will Demelo)
> 40. Re: Pantera burnout (Brent Stewart)
> 41. Pantera burnout (Larry Finch)
> 42. Re: Pantera burnout (bill gaino)
> 43. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 44. Re: Pantera burnout (Cunnyngham, Christopher B (HSC))
> 45. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Gray Gregory)
> 46. NPC - Monsanto (Larry Finch)
> 47. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Ken Green)
> 48. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 49. Re: NPC - Monsanto (Gray Gregory)
> 50. Re: Pantera burnout (Tony DiGiovanna)
> 51. Re: NPC - Monsanto (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 52. Re: Pantera burnout (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 53. Re: NPC - Monsanto (Tony DiGiovanna)
> 54. Re: NPC - Monsanto (Ken Green)
> 55. Re: NPC - Monsanto (Ken Green)
> 56. Re: NPC - Monsanto (Julian Kift)
> 57. Pantera burnout not, just bad drifting. (zumzum at cox.net)
> 58. Radiator needed--or advice, anyway (Christopher Kimball)
> 59. Radiator needed--or advice, anyway (Christopher Kimball)
> 60. Re: Radiator needed--or advice, anyway (michael at michaelshortt.com)
> 61. Re: NPC - Monsanto (Tony DiGiovanna)
> 62. Re: NPC - Monsanto (Curt Hall)
> 63. Re: NPC...You may want to Delete? (Tony DiGiovanna)
> 64. Re: NPC - Monsanto (Tony DiGiovanna)
> 65. NPC - First time (Tony DiGiovanna)
> 66. Re: Coil overs (jderyke at aol.com)
> 67. Re: Laurie Ferrari, Drewsastered! :>) (P. Rimov)
> 68. Re: NPC - Monsanto (Curt Hall)
> 69. Re: Radiator needed--or advice, anyway (Asa Jay Laughton)
> 70. Re: Coil overs ( Charles Engles)
> 71. Re: Water temp. sendor (SOBill at aol.com)
> 72. Re: Pantera burnout (Pantdino)
> 73. Re: Radiator needed--or advice, anyway (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 74. Re: Radiator needed--or advice, anyway (wkooiman at earthlink.net)
> 75. Re: Radiator needed--or advice, anyway (Christopher Kimball)
> 76. Re: NPC - Monsanto (Ken Green)
> 77. Radiator leak addendum (Christopher Kimball)
> 78. Re: Radiator leak addendum (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 79. Water temp. sendor (David Nunn)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "'Larry Finch'" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <2615178024658828084903976147093 at psmtp.com>
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> << crying like a Little Girl>>
>
>
> My dear friend Larry,
>
>
> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a lot.
>
> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
>
>
> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
>
> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> ----------------
> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
>
> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when it
> comes to crying like a
> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John Boehner,
> wins that one Hands Down!
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:54:14 +0000
> From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - old Austin-Healey
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> An interesting ebay find: A Barn-Find Austin Healey that is already up to $33,000.01 - in CAL, of course!!
> If the below link does not work, the item#320644872336
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320644872336&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_1791wt_1167
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:04:50 +0000
> From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: PANTERA-Larry <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, <fresnofinches at aol.com>,
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team moves from one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history, etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos in TN give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? I would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill (singing: Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> > To: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >
> > << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >
> >
> > My dear friend Larry,
> >
> >
> > If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a lot.
> >
> > Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> > Behalf Of Larry Finch
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >
> >
> > Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >
> > But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> > ----------------
> > Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >
> > Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when it
> > comes to crying like a
> > Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John Boehner,
> > wins that one Hands Down!
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:13:25 +0000
> From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The joys of being Drewsastered
> To: <laurieferrari at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <COL113-W29B8D579DC155E129A0EB5BBF90 at phx.gbl>
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>
> I think I'll print this off, blow it up, and tack it on my garage wall! It's drizzling today, I don't think I should take the Cat out - NOT!!
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: LaurieFerrari at aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 03:15:30 -0500
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] The joys of being Drewsastered
> >
> > What Mike didn't tell you is that he scared the heebee geebees out of me,
> > thinking that my Gotti wheel might have failed. And it hasn't been years
> > since I've checked...ahhh, maybe just one year : ) End result, tire was
> > fine once revived, wheel also fine. Tires are now full of air and I'm ready to
> > go on another adventure. Let's see what can happen next time. Oh by the
> > way, Mikey didn't tell you how beautifully it drove though (the Pantera I
> > mean, we all know the Vette, which is curse proof, drove fine).
> > Tell them about my Webers.
> >
> > Cute story though... and valuable lesson learned. Thanks for a fun time!
> > It takes a visit from Mikey to inspire me to get that Pantera out and
> > reconfirm how truly beautiful it is. All's well that ends well.
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:45:04 EST
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The joys of being Drewsastered
> To: LaurieFerrari at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <b26d9.3faad97a.3a69c090 at aol.com>
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> In a message dated 1/20/11 0 15 59, LaurieFerrari at aol.com writes:
>
>
> > What Mike didn't tell you is that he scared the heebee geebees out of?
> > me,
> > thinking that my Gotti wheel might have failed.?
> >
> >>>I couldn't think of another reason for a tire to go from fully inflated
> (as it visually appeared to be) to fully deflated in just a few seconds. A
> nail in the tire would have acted much more slowly. It's amazing that the
> tire held its shape and the car apparently drove just fine, with no air in
> the tires!
>
> She was complaining about difficultly with low-speed steering and I did ask
> if, ahem, there was enough air in the tires? I guess I should have asked
> if there was ANY air in the tires! :>)
>
>
> > >And it hasn't? been years
> > since I've checked...ahhh, maybe just one year : )??
> >
> >>>Somehow I rather doubt that. :>)
>
>
> > > End result, tire was
> > fine once revived, wheel also fine. Tires are now? full of air and I'm
> > ready to
> > go on another adventure.? Let's see? what can happen next time.?
> >
> >>>Hopefully it doesn't involve the tow truck!
>
>
> > >Oh by the
> > way, Mikey didn't tell you how? beautifully it drove though (the Pantera I
> > mean, we all know the Vette,? which is curse proof, drove fine).
> > Tell them about my Webers.
> >
> >>>I only got to drive the car on and off the tow truck. :>) But I was
> surprised at how well the car drove overall (from the passenger seat).
> Laurie's car has a very unique induction system; she has an Edelbrock Performer
> intake (if memory serves) topped with a B&M supercharger, which is fed by a
> pair of side-draft Webers. I don't know what size they are, but I hope they
> are huge, because it seems to me that only two side-draft Webers would be
> insufficient to feed an engine like this?
>
> The linkage is fascinating. For the first half of pedal movement, only
> the left-side carburetor is used at all. It basically acts like the primary
> side of a four-barrel carburetor. Only when the pedal goes past the
> halfway point does the linkage take up, and the secondary side start to open up.
>
> Webers are notoriously fiddly and cantakerous. Starting the car was more
> than a little difficult, but this was down to the fact that it had been
> allowed to sit for months and months, always a bad idea! Once some fresh gas
> got to the carbs (another story!) the car actually ran beautifully, and it
> started easily as well. Quite a surprise.
> >
> > >Cute story though... and valuable lesson learned. Thanks for a fun?
> > time!?
> > It takes a visit from Mikey to inspire me to get that Pantera out? and
> > reconfirm how truly beautiful it is.? All's well that ends? well.?
> >
> > >>>Among my many jobs is Pantera Marriage Counselor! :>)
>
> Mike
> >
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:12:41 -0800
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry
> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, <fresnofinches at aol.com>,
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <C95DAD09.49B5%douglas at entropygroup.com>
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> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> know I am stating the obvious.
>
> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
>
>
> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team moves from
> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos in TN
> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? I
> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill (singing:
> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>
> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>
> >>
> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>
> >>
> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a lot.
> >>
> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>
> >>
> >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>
> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >> ----------------
> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>
> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when it
> >> comes to crying like a
> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John Boehner,
> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:25:39 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com, fresnofinches at aol.com
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> give credit to the oilers for becoming the titans. boos to the colts,
> cardinals. Michael Shortt
> On Jan 20, 2011 12:21 PM, "Robert Douglas" <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> > I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees.
> Names,
> > logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city.
> I
> > know I am stating the obvious.
> >
> > It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained
> in
> > the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> > build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team moves from
> >> one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >> etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos in
> TN
> >> give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? I
> >> would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill (singing:
> >> Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>
> >>> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> lot.
> >>>
> >>> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> >>> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>> ----------------
> >>> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>
> >>> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> it
> >>> comes to crying like a
> >>> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> Boehner,
> >>> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:06:28 -0500
> From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Cc: fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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> Understood, but would it still make sense if we had the Denver Dolphins or
> the New England Cowboys? How about the Los Angeles Patriots. Now there
> would be an Oxymoron :)
>
> Rob "attempting to start a war with California" DuMoulin
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Robert Douglas
> <douglas at entropygroup.com>wrote:
>
> > I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> > logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city.
> > I
> > know I am stating the obvious.
> >
> > It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> > the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> > build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team moves
> > from
> > > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> > > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos in
> > TN
> > > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)??
> > I
> > > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> > (singing:
> > > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> > >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> > >>
> > >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> My dear friend Larry,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> > lot.
> > >>
> > >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On
> > >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> > >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> > >>
> > >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> > >> ----------------
> > >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> > >>
> > >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> > it
> > >> comes to crying like a
> > >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> > Boehner,
> > >> wins that one Hands Down!
> > >>
> > >> Larry
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:12:01 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" <rob at dumoulins.net>, "'Robert Douglas'"
> <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Cc: fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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> Lets not forget the Utah Jazz.
>
>
>
>
>
> Larry (Mormon Tabernacle Jazz Choir?) - Clevaland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:06 PM
> To: Robert Douglas
> Cc: Bill Lewis; PANTERA-Larry; fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
>
>
>
> Understood, but would it still make sense if we had the Denver Dolphins or
> the New England Cowboys? How about the Los Angeles Patriots. Now there
> would be an Oxymoron :)
>
>
>
> Rob "attempting to start a war with California" DuMoulin
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> wrote:
>
> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> know I am stating the obvious.
>
> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
>
>
> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team moves
> from
> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos in
> TN
> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? I
> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> (singing:
> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>
> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>
> >>
> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>
> >>
> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> lot.
> >>
> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>
> >>
> >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>
> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >> ----------------
> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>
> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> it
> >> comes to crying like a
> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> Boehner,
> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:28:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry
> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com,
> Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
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> A city?might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks to the city.? That seems fair because eminent domain?has been?used to force the sale of property to build facilities for the teams.? Oakland tried to force the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved the team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a sports team was not a public use.? This seems inconsistent with the use of eminent domain?to force the sale of land.
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
>
>
> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> know I am stating the obvious.
>
> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
>
>
> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > All right - new "can of worms!" .? .? .? .? .? .When a sports team moves from
> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!!? Do you think those yahoos in TN
> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)??? ? ? I
> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous.???------Bill (singing:
> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>
> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>
> >>
> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>
> >>
> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a lot.
> >>
> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>
> >>
> >>? Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>
> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >> ----------------
> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>
> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when it
> >> comes to crying like a
> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John Boehner,
> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>?
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:34:54 -0500 (EST)
> From: D421996 at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: Detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <27f1c.2abe7051.3a69da4e at aol.com>
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> Where is the best place to get coil overs for a 74? What does Koni charge
> for rebuilding? Mine is a street car not a race car, any thoughts?
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:35:29 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com, fresnofinches at aol.com
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> yeah, the Utah Jazz has to be the most laughable. Brother Jacob "Satchmo"
> Smith.
> On Jan 20, 2011 1:29 PM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks
> to the city. That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force
> the sale of property to build facilities for the teams. Oakland tried to
> force the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis
> moved the team to LA, but the court said no because they found that
> operation of a sports team was not a public use. This seems inconsistent
> with the use of eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> > To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <
> larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >
> >
> > I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees.
> Names,
> > logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city.
> I
> > know I am stating the obvious.
> >
> > It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained
> in
> > the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> > build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team moves
> from
> >> one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >> etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos in
> TN
> >> give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)??
> I
> >> would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> (singing:
> >> Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>
> >>> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> lot.
> >>>
> >>> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> >>> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>> ----------------
> >>> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>
> >>> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> it
> >>> comes to crying like a
> >>> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> Boehner,
> >>> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:43:52 EST
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: D421996 at aol.com, Detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <ba1ba.1f293665.3a69dc68 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
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>
> In a message dated 1/20/11 10 35 19, D421996 at aol.com writes:
>
>
> > Where is the best place to get coil overs for a 74?? What does Koni?
> > charge
> > for rebuilding?? Mine is a street car not a race car, any? thoughts?
> >
>
> "Best" has different connotations depending on how you drive.
>
> I had Carrera (now QA1) shocks on my Pantera. I liked them but I found
> the ride too soft. Only after sold them did I discover that the problem
> was that I had bought them from Larry Stock; he has very strange ideas on
> suspension and actually sets his shocks up with softer springs than the stock
> ones! Everybody else uses slightly stiffer-than-stock rates of 450 lbs
> front/550 lbs rear. I'm sure if I had bought them with the proper spring rates
> I would have been much happier with them.
>
> You can get Carrera shocks with 450/550 from Wilkinson. For slightly more
> money (last time I checked), you can get Konis (which I have now and LOVE)
> from either Pantera East or Pantera Performance Center. They are available
> with either steel or aluminum bodies; the aluminum ones are a tidge lighter
> and much more expensive, and a waste of money IMHO.
>
> Although they offer more adjustment possibilities, adjusting them requires
> removal from the car, which is a pain. They come pre-adjusted however, and
> mine were perfect right out of the box.
>
> Hall and Byars sell Aldan shocks. On paper they look like they could be
> viable, but personally I wouldn't put them on a shopping cart. The tales of
> Aldan shock failures are legion; they just can't seem to build them in a
> manner that allows them to live, at least on a Pantera. I have personally
> been involved as an intermediary between Aldan and Pantera owners in Europe,
> and have shipped shocks back and forth across the Atlantic more times than I
> can count. In most cases, the Europeans finally gave up and just trashed
> them and bought Konis and lived happily ever after.
>
> As for rebuilding your existing shocks--do you have old-school Koni shocks
> at the moment? Konis were available as a stock replacement shock for
> years, with the stock springs. Koni charges about $150 each to rebuild them.
> The L-models came with Telecar shocks, which were fairly cheap, and are not
> rebuildable.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:44:22 -0800
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, Bill Lewis
> <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>,
> <fresnofinches at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <C95DC286.49D1%douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
>
> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
>
> My two pennies.
>
> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com when I want to
> comment? Sorry, new here. :-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks to
> > the city. That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force the
> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. Oakland tried to force
> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved the
> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > sports team was not a public use. This seems inconsistent with the use of
> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry"
> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>
> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team moves
> >>> from
> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos in
> >>> TN
> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? I
> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> >>> (singing:
> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ;
> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> >>>> lot.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> ] On
> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> it
> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>>> >>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:53:11 -0500
> From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> Cc: fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
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>
> When the Hartford Whalers moved to Raleigh NC, they renamed themselves
> the Hurricanes. I don't think it was because they were being polite
> though. The brand was effectively destroyed back in Hartford, so
> better to begin fresh with a new brand without the burden of rising
> from the ashes.
>
> sean
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Larry - Ohio Time Corp
> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
> > Lets not forget the Utah Jazz.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry (Mormon Tabernacle Jazz Choir?) - Clevaland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ?_____
> >
> > From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:06 PM
> > To: Robert Douglas
> > Cc: Bill Lewis; PANTERA-Larry; fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >
> >
> >
> > Understood, but would it still make sense if we had the Denver Dolphins or
> > the New England Cowboys? ?How about the Los Angeles Patriots. ?Now there
> > would be an Oxymoron :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob "attempting to start a war with California" DuMoulin
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> > logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> > know I am stating the obvious.
> >
> > It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> > the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> > build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> All right - new "can of worms!" . ?. ?. ?. ?. ?.When a sports team moves
> > from
> >> one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >> etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! ?Do you think those yahoos in
> > TN
> >> give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? ? ? ?I
> >> would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ? ------Bill
> > (singing:
> >> Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>
> >>> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> > lot.
> >>>
> >>> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On
> >>> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ?Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>> ----------------
> >>> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>
> >>> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> > it
> >>> comes to crying like a
> >>> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> > Boehner,
> >>> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > 904.476.8744
> > rob at dumoulins.net
> >
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>
>
> --
> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> "Computers are useless.? They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:22:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jim Gray <grayjim at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: D421996 at aol.com, Detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <267867.85878.qm at web180010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>
> I had some orange Koni's rebuilt a few years ago and the price was just over
> $500 as I remember.
>
> Jim Gray
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "D421996 at aol.com" <D421996 at aol.com>
> To: Detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 12:34:54 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
>
> Where is the best place to get coil overs for a 74?? What does Koni? charge
> for rebuilding?? Mine is a street car not a race car, any? thoughts?
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> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:30:37 EST
> From: JDeRyke at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: D421996 at aol.com, Detomaso at realbig.com
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> In a message dated 1/20/11 10:35:20 AM, D421996 at aol.com writes:
>
> > Where is the best place to get coil overs for a 74?? What does Koni?
> > charge for rebuilding?? Mine is a street car not a race car, any? thoughts?
> >
>
> Quella is a Koni dealer and he supplies the needed bolt-spacers for
> Panteras- 4 per shock with his coil-overs. Cut rate dealers don't even supply them.
> Rebuilding charges vary depending on whats needed inside. Dunno if the
> rebuild is still free- as it used to be if you were an original owner and had
> your receipt. You still had to pay shipping both ways.
> Koni makes several models and IMHO the best ones are the Koni gas shocks.
> The pressure inside is high enough to generate 40-45 lbs of extra spring
> strength which should be calculated into your spring selection. Other brands use
> much lower gas pressure so its not a concern with them. Gas is used to cut
> foaming and resulting damping changes on bumpy roads. High pressure gas
> shocks can be mounted upside-down for a small decrease in unsprung weight
> w/better handling; same theory as using magnesium wheels or vented brake rotors.
> My wife's Pantera is also a street car but we run Koni gas shocks. Contrary
> to some reports, rod-ends instead of rubber or plastic bushings in Koni's
> do NOT increase road noise in a Pantera. They do increase steering
> sensitivity. We love them! Whatever brand you buy, get a real shock-spanner for
> adjusting coil-over spring height. Pipe wrenches, Channel-lock pliers and
> screwdrivers w/hammer are all marks of the ill-prepared owner and will ruin the
> adjusting nut in short order. The spanners are cheap. Good luck- J DeRyke
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:37:44 -0800
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: <mikeldrew at aol.com>, <d421996 at aol.com>, De Tomaso List
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT116-W1796C1D1862C52796F8A6A95F90 at phx.gbl>
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>
>
> Summit Racing sell the QA1's (single or double adjustables) if you want a price comparison to vendors the single adjustables are about $200 a corner with spring. If you decide to change spring rates the springs alone run about $30 ea, no need to sell the shocks like Mikey did....
>
> I can never understand Larry Stock's thinking, he sells them with a 375/275 springs set IIRC, in fact I think that's what he runs on Red. That said as Jack DeRyke is always keen to point out it's a combination of shocks, springs, sway bars and to a lesser extent the sway bar mounting e.g the ball ends vs. std rubber.
>
> Julian
>
> > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:43:52 -0500
> > To: D421996 at aol.com; Detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/20/11 10 35 19, D421996 at aol.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Where is the best place to get coil overs for a 74? What does Koni
> > > charge
> > > for rebuilding? Mine is a street car not a race car, any thoughts?
> > >
> >
> > "Best" has different connotations depending on how you drive.
> >
> > I had Carrera (now QA1) shocks on my Pantera. I liked them but I found
> > the ride too soft. Only after sold them did I discover that the problem
> > was that I had bought them from Larry Stock; he has very strange ideas on
> > suspension and actually sets his shocks up with softer springs than the stock
> > ones! Everybody else uses slightly stiffer-than-stock rates of 450 lbs
> > front/550 lbs rear. I'm sure if I had bought them with the proper spring rates
> > I would have been much happier with them.
> >
> > You can get Carrera shocks with 450/550 from Wilkinson. For slightly more
> > money (last time I checked), you can get Konis (which I have now and LOVE)
> > from either Pantera East or Pantera Performance Center. They are available
> > with either steel or aluminum bodies; the aluminum ones are a tidge lighter
> > and much more expensive, and a waste of money IMHO.
> >
> > Although they offer more adjustment possibilities, adjusting them requires
> > removal from the car, which is a pain. They come pre-adjusted however, and
> > mine were perfect right out of the box.
> >
> > Hall and Byars sell Aldan shocks. On paper they look like they could be
> > viable, but personally I wouldn't put them on a shopping cart. The tales of
> > Aldan shock failures are legion; they just can't seem to build them in a
> > manner that allows them to live, at least on a Pantera. I have personally
> > been involved as an intermediary between Aldan and Pantera owners in Europe,
> > and have shipped shocks back and forth across the Atlantic more times than I
> > can count. In most cases, the Europeans finally gave up and just trashed
> > them and bought Konis and lived happily ever after.
> >
> > As for rebuilding your existing shocks--do you have old-school Koni shocks
> > at the moment? Konis were available as a stock replacement shock for
> > years, with the stock springs. Koni charges about $150 each to rebuild them.
> > The L-models came with Telecar shocks, which were fairly cheap, and are not
> > rebuildable.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Mike
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:45:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com, spkorb at gmail.com
> Cc: fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <761067.74309.qm at web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Another can of worms???...
> ?
> Heard on the radio today (is this?true???)?General Motors is going to spend over 500 mil. to develop low emission (Green) engines! How good is that! Employ a 1000 workers! Now, how good is that!!...OH, wait,...all this is going to be in MEXICO!!!... So it looks like ObamaMotors is really trying to help our economy??? So much for buying...?Made in the USA.
> ?
> another slow day??
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> Cc: fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 10:53 AM
>
>
> When the Hartford Whalers moved to Raleigh NC, they renamed themselves
> the Hurricanes.? I don't think it was because they were being polite
> though.? The brand was effectively destroyed back in Hartford, so
> better to begin fresh with a new brand without the burden of rising
> from the ashes.
>
> sean
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Larry - Ohio Time Corp
> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
> > Lets not forget the Utah Jazz.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry (Mormon Tabernacle Jazz Choir?) - Clevaland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ?_____
> >
> > From: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:06 PM
> > To: Robert Douglas
> > Cc: Bill Lewis; PANTERA-Larry; fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >
> >
> >
> > Understood, but would it still make sense if we had the Denver Dolphins or
> > the New England Cowboys? ?How about the Los Angeles Patriots. ?Now there
> > would be an Oxymoron :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob "attempting to start a war with California" DuMoulin
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> > logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> > know I am stating the obvious.
> >
> > It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> > the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> > build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> All right - new "can of worms!" . ?. ?. ?. ?. ?.When a sports team moves
> > from
> >> one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >> etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! ?Do you think those yahoos in
> > TN
> >> give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? ? ? ?I
> >> would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ? ------Bill
> > (singing:
> >> Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>> To: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>
> >>> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> > lot.
> >>>
> >>> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On
> >>> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ?Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>> ----------------
> >>> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>
> >>> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> > it
> >>> comes to crying like a
> >>> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> > Boehner,
> >>> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:49:46 EST
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com, d421996 at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <be810.66edbb71.3a69ebda at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> In a message dated 1/20/11 11 38 39, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> >
> > Summit Racing sell the QA1's (single or double adjustables) if you want a
> > price comparison to vendors the single adjustables are about $200 a corner
> > with spring.
> >
> >>>But, you'd still have to buy or make the adapters to enable them to bolt
> to a Pantera chassis, so the vendors are selling theirs at a very
> reasonable price IMHO.
>
>
> > >If you decide to change spring rates the springs alone run about $30 ea,
> > no need to sell the shocks like Mikey did....
> >
> >>>That's definitely what I would have done, had I known. Larry was
> supposed to be selling me 450/550 springs like everybody else uses and that's
> what I assumed I had; I bounced around for years before finally selling them,
> only to discover shortly afterwards that my problem was due to the inadequate
> spring rates.
>
> They are okay for street use, but I push my car pretty hard and the springs
> became a factor. The fellow who bought them from me was looking for pure
> street setup. I did subsequently advise him to at least raise the rear
> spring rates, but as far as I know he hasn't installed them on his car yet....
>
> Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:51:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry
> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com,
> Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Message-ID: <179250.96720.qm at web30802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Robert,
> ?
> ?? I pretty much agree with you unless it's for national security.? But moving a team?probably has a big impact on local business.? It's not nearly as simple as a trademark?most businesses use.?
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 10:44 AM
>
>
> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
>
> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
>
> My two pennies.
>
> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com when I want to
> comment? Sorry, new here.? :-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks to
> > the city.? That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force the
> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams.? Oakland tried to force
> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved the
> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > sports team was not a public use.? This seems inconsistent with the use of
> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> >?
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry"
> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>
> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" .? .? .? .? .? .When a sports team moves
> >>> from
> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!!? Do you think those yahoos in
> >>> TN
> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)??? ? ? I
> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous.???------Bill
> >>> (singing:
> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ;
> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> >>>> lot.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> ] On
> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>? Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> it
> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>>> >>
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> >>>> >> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> >>>> >> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> >>> >?
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> >>> > http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:56:46 -0800
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, Bill Lewis
> <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>,
> <fresnofinches at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <C95DD37E.49EC%douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Ken,
>
> You are right, a sports team has a huge impact on local business. But, so
> does a Ford plant, and the government should not be allowed to tell a
> business they cannot close a plant. Plus, it is not a loss as the jobs and
> revenue are gained (and sometimes increased) in the new city.
>
> You will find that my perspective has nothing to do with football. I am a
> business owner and designer, so I believe intellectual property ownership
> should be aggressively protected...football teams, not so much. :-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 11:51 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > I pretty much agree with you unless it's for national security. But moving
> > a team probably has a big impact on local business. It's not nearly as simple
> > as a trademark most businesses use.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>,
> >> "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com,
> >> detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 10:44 AM
> >>
> >> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> >> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> >> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> >> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> >> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
> >>
> >> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> >> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> >> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> >> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
> >>
> >> My two pennies.
> >>
> >> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com> when I
> >> want to
> >> comment? Sorry, new here. :-)
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks
> >>> to
> >>> > the city. That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force
> >>> the
> >>> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. Oakland tried to
> >>> force
> >>> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved
> >>> the
> >>> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> >>> > sports team was not a public use. This seems inconsistent with the use of
> >>> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> >>> >
> >>> > Ken
> >>> >
> >>> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com
> >>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> >
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >,
> >>>> "PANTERA-Larry"
> >>>> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com> >,
> >>>> fresnofinches at aol.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ,
> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees.
> >>>> Names,
> >>>> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next
> >>>> city. I
> >>>> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained
> in
> >>>> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >>>> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com>
> >>>> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team
> moves
> >>>>> >>> from
> >>>>>> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name,
> >>>>>> history,
> >>>>>> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those
> >>>>>> yahoos in
> >>>>> >>> TN
> >>>>>> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)??
> I
> >>>>>> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> >>>>> >>> (singing:
> >>>>>> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........)
> Lewis
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com
> >>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> ;
> >>>>>> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to
> >>>>>>>> crying a
> >>>>>> >>>> lot.
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>>>>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> ] On
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>>>> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House,
> >>>>>>>> but when
> >> it
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep.
> John
> >>>>>> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:49:25 -0800
> From: "Lynn Wall" <cars at wt-inc.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "'Robert Douglas'" <douglas at entropygroup.com>, "'Ken Green'"
> <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "'Bill Lewis'" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>,
> "'PANTERA-Larry'" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, <fresnofinches at aol.com>,
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <004501cbb8db$2446a7f0$6cd3f7d0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Agreed,
>
> In fact, here in the land of the "Mormon tabernacle jazz choir" a
> billionaire wanted to build an incredibly beautiful hotel. He bought out
> everyone on the block except one tiny flower shop. The owner had been there
> for decades and did not see why he should have to sell. The billionaire
> took him to court and lost at every level (state supreme court). He then
> went the eminent domain route with the city playing the part of the "heavy".
> He lost again at every level. Today there is a beautiful hotel that covers
> almost the entire block, all except for one small corner that has a tiny
> flower shop in an old building. I think of it at a monument to the "little
> guy"
>
> Lynn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Douglas
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: Ken Green; Bill Lewis; PANTERA-Larry; fresnofinches at aol.com;
> detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
>
> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
>
> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
>
> My two pennies.
>
> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com when I want to
> comment? Sorry, new here. :-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks
> to
> > the city. That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force
> the
> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. Oakland tried to
> force
> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved
> the
> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > sports team was not a public use. This seems inconsistent with the use of
> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry"
> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>
> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees.
> Names,
> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next
> city. I
> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained
> in
> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team
> moves
> >>> from
> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name,
> history,
> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos
> in
> >>> TN
> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)??
> I
> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> >>> (singing:
> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........)
> Lewis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ;
> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying
> a
> >>>> lot.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> ] On
> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but
> when
> it
> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
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> >>>> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:18:45 -0800
> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com>, 'Robert Douglas'
> <douglas at entropygroup.com>, 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, 'Bill
> Lewis' <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, 'PANTERA-Larry'
> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "fresnofinches at aol.com"
> <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Good for Utah and it's courts!! I say we give all of California's electoral votes to Utah. Y'all are much more likely to use them wisely!!! Lol
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Wall
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:49 PM
> To: 'Robert Douglas'; 'Ken Green'; 'Bill Lewis'; 'PANTERA-Larry'; fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
>
> Agreed,
>
> In fact, here in the land of the "Mormon tabernacle jazz choir" a
> billionaire wanted to build an incredibly beautiful hotel. He bought out
> everyone on the block except one tiny flower shop. The owner had been there
> for decades and did not see why he should have to sell. The billionaire
> took him to court and lost at every level (state supreme court). He then
> went the eminent domain route with the city playing the part of the "heavy".
> He lost again at every level. Today there is a beautiful hotel that covers
> almost the entire block, all except for one small corner that has a tiny
> flower shop in an old building. I think of it at a monument to the "little
> guy"
>
> Lynn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Douglas
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: Ken Green; Bill Lewis; PANTERA-Larry; fresnofinches at aol.com;
> detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
>
> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
>
> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
>
> My two pennies.
>
> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com when I want to
> comment? Sorry, new here. :-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks
> to
> > the city. That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force
> the
> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. Oakland tried to
> force
> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved
> the
> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > sports team was not a public use. This seems inconsistent with the use of
> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry"
> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>
> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees.
> Names,
> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next
> city. I
> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained
> in
> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team
> moves
> >>> from
> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name,
> history,
> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos
> in
> >>> TN
> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)??
> I
> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> >>> (singing:
> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........)
> Lewis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ;
> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying
> a
> >>>> lot.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> ] On
> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but
> when
> it
> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:27:54 -0800
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
> Message-ID: <20110120122754.e0dz1utxgoo0cssg at webmail.asajay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
> format="flowed"
>
> Do the QA1's come with appropriate bushings to mount in a Pantera? I
> ask because the statement was made that Quella sells Koni's with the
> right bushings but nobody else does?
>
> What did I miss?
>
> Asa Jay
> <misses a lot>
>
> Quoting Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
>
> >
> > Summit Racing sell the QA1's (single or double adjustables) if you
> > want a price comparison to vendors the single adjustables are about
> > $200 a corner with spring. If you decide to change spring rates the
> > springs alone run about $30 ea, no need to sell the shocks like
> > Mikey did....
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:29:34 EST
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: asajay at asajay.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <c0e6f.16831064.3a69f52e at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
>
> In a message dated 1/20/11 12 27 11, asajay at asajay.com writes:
>
>
> > Do the QA1's come with appropriate bushings to mount in a Pantera?? I?
> > ask because the statement was made that Quella sells Koni's with the?
> > right bushings but nobody else does?
> >
> > What did I miss?
> >
>
> QA1s purchased directly from QA1 for $200-ish each don't come with any
> bushings. QA1s from Wilkinson or Stock DO come with the bushings. I don't
> know if QA1 could provide bushings at additional cost, or if they would know
> what sizes would be required, but there is probably little if any cost
> savings associated with going that route, versus just buying them complete and
> ready-to-go from Wilkinson or Stock.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:47:12 -0800
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: <mikeldrew at aol.com>, <asajay at asajay.com>, De Tomaso List
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT116-W9075473E16EFE41AABCC395F90 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I guess we have to qualify what you mean by 'bushings'; QA1's come complete in one of two end styles 1) a std poly bushing suffix P or 2) a heim/rod end suffix B.
>
> The poly ends are like your conventional Koni's etc. but may require a washer or so between the poly bushing and mount if the poly bushing is not as wide as the oem shock/mount. The Heim version is quite a bit narrower so requires spacers to mount centrally between the Pantera shock tabs. These spacers are really nothing more than a piece of tube stock cut to length and machined down one end to sit inside the heim joint. One alternative is to make the mounting hole slightly larger and use a larger diameter bolt that fits the heim joint and then the spacers become simple cut pieces of tube stock, another is a tube over a tube.
>
> I do not have an up to date cost for vendor supplied shocks, ($1200?) so each individual will have to weigh up what it's worth to them and given their fabrication abilities.
>
> Julian
>
>
> > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:29:34 -0500
> > To: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/20/11 12 27 11, asajay at asajay.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Do the QA1's come with appropriate bushings to mount in a Pantera? I
> > > ask because the statement was made that Quella sells Koni's with the
> > > right bushings but nobody else does?
> > >
> > > What did I miss?
> > >
> >
> > QA1s purchased directly from QA1 for $200-ish each don't come with any
> > bushings. QA1s from Wilkinson or Stock DO come with the bushings. I don't
> > know if QA1 could provide bushings at additional cost, or if they would know
> > what sizes would be required, but there is probably little if any cost
> > savings associated with going that route, versus just buying them complete and
> > ready-to-go from Wilkinson or Stock.
> >
> > Mike
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> Message: 28
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:49:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry
> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, detomaso at realbig.com, Robert Douglas
> <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Message-ID: <86436.31302.qm at web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Robert,?
> ?
> You probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an anti-patent stance.? The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association of Molecular Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in the Supreme Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics.? Basically, they want to force the company to give away the technology they spent big bucks to develop.? A real feel good thing, share the wealth with everyone.
> ?
> Maybe the first step in rationing health care.? Companies won't spend money on developing new medical technology if they can't get patents.? People will die sooner and make Obamacare affordable.
> ?
> Better stay well,
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:56 AM
>
>
> Ken,
>
> You are right, a sports team has a huge impact on ?local business. But, so does a Ford plant, and the government should not be allowed to tell a business they cannot close a plant. Plus, it is not a loss as the jobs and revenue are gained (and sometimes increased) in the new city.
>
> You will find that my perspective has nothing to do with football. I am a business owner and designer, so I believe intellectual property ownership should be aggressively protected...football teams, not so much. ?:-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 11:51 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Robert,
> ?
> ???I pretty much agree with you unless it's for national security. ?But moving a team probably has a big impact on local business. ?It's not nearly as simple as a trademark most businesses use. ?
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 10:44 AM
>
> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
>
> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
>
> My two pennies.
>
> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com> ?when I want to
> comment? Sorry, new here. ?:-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks to
> > the city. ?That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force the
> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. ?Oakland tried to force
> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved the
> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > sports team was not a public use. ?This seems inconsistent with the use of
> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> > ?
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >, "PANTERA-Larry"
> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com> >, fresnofinches at aol.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> , detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>
> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com>
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . ?. ?. ?. ?. ?.When a sports team moves
> >>> from
> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! ?Do you think those yahoos in
> >>> TN
> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? ?????I
> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ??------Bill
> >>> (singing:
> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ;
> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> >>>> lot.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> ] On
> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ?Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> it
> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:08:16 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>,
> fresnofinches at aol.com
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> It may be a monument to something........not sure what.
>
> If it had been me, My flower shop would have new SUPER digs inside the hotel
> with easy outside access, rent free and I'd have a whole building full of
> Panteras with the money I got as well.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> There is a time to negotiate and settle, winning isn't everything if it
> costs you more than the value of the spoils.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com> wrote:
>
> > Agreed,
> >
> > In fact, here in the land of the "Mormon tabernacle jazz choir" a
> > billionaire wanted to build an incredibly beautiful hotel. He bought out
> > everyone on the block except one tiny flower shop. The owner had been
> > there
> > for decades and did not see why he should have to sell. The billionaire
> > took him to court and lost at every level (state supreme court). He then
> > went the eminent domain route with the city playing the part of the
> > "heavy".
> > He lost again at every level. Today there is a beautiful hotel that covers
> > almost the entire block, all except for one small corner that has a tiny
> > flower shop in an old building. I think of it at a monument to the "little
> > guy"
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Robert Douglas
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:44 AM
> > To: Ken Green; Bill Lewis; PANTERA-Larry; fresnofinches at aol.com;
> > detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >
> > The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> > un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what
> > they
> > are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What
> > you
> > are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> > the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
> >
> > I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> > is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> > citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> > generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
> >
> > My two pennies.
> >
> > By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com when I want
> > to
> > comment? Sorry, new here. :-)
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the
> > trademarks
> > to
> > > the city. That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force
> > the
> > > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. Oakland tried to
> > force
> > > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved
> > the
> > > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > > sports team was not a public use. This seems inconsistent with the use
> > of
> > > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> > >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry"
> > >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> > >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> > >>
> > >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees.
> > Names,
> > >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next
> > city. I
> > >> know I am stating the obvious.
> > >>
> > >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained
> > in
> > >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> > >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> > >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> >
> > >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team
> > moves
> > >>> from
> > >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name,
> > history,
> > >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos
> > in
> > >>> TN
> > >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)??
> > I
> > >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> > >>> (singing:
> > >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........)
> > Lewis
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> > >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> > >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com
> > >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> > ;
> > >>>> detomaso at realbig.com
> > >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> > >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> > >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to
> > crying
> > a
> > >>>> lot.
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > >>>>
> > <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com
> > >
> > >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > >>>>
> > <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com
> > >
> > >>>> ] On
> > >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> > >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> > >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> > >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> > >>>> >> ----------------
> > >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but
> > when
> > it
> > >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> > >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> > >>>> Boehner,
> > >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Larry
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
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> Message: 30
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:12:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry
> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, detomaso at realbig.com, Robert Douglas
> <douglas at entropygroup.com>, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
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> Though all the Bums out of office, and start fresh! But OBAMA first!!!?
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, detomaso at realbig.com, "Robert Douglas" <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:49 PM
>
>
> Robert,?
> ?
> You probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an anti-patent stance.? The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association of Molecular Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in the Supreme Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics.? Basically, they want to force the company to give away the technology they spent big bucks to develop.? A real feel good thing, share the wealth with everyone.
> ?
> Maybe the first step in rationing health care.? Companies won't spend money on developing new medical technology if they can't get patents.? People will die sooner and make Obamacare affordable.
> ?
> Better stay well,
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:56 AM
>
>
> Ken,
>
> You are right, a sports team has a huge impact on ?local business. But, so does a Ford plant, and the government should not be allowed to tell a business they cannot close a plant. Plus, it is not a loss as the jobs and revenue are gained (and sometimes increased) in the new city.
>
> You will find that my perspective has nothing to do with football. I am a business owner and designer, so I believe intellectual property ownership should be aggressively protected...football teams, not so much. ?:-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 11:51 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Robert,
> ?
> ???I pretty much agree with you unless it's for national security. ?But moving a team probably has a big impact on local business. ?It's not nearly as simple as a trademark most businesses use. ?
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 10:44 AM
>
> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
>
> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
>
> My two pennies.
>
> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com> ?when I want to
> comment? Sorry, new here. ?:-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks to
> > the city. ?That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force the
> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. ?Oakland tried to force
> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved the
> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > sports team was not a public use. ?This seems inconsistent with the use of
> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> > ?
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >, "PANTERA-Larry"
> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com> >, fresnofinches at aol.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> , detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>
> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com>
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . ?. ?. ?. ?. ?.When a sports team moves
> >>> from
> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! ?Do you think those yahoos in
> >>> TN
> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? ?????I
> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ??------Bill
> >>> (singing:
> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ;
> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> >>>> lot.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> ] On
> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ?Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> it
> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
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> Message: 31
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:13:07 -0600
> From: "Szwab,Konrad,HOUSTON,IT" <Konrad.Szwab at AlconLabs.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, Bill Lewis
> <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>,
> "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>, Robert Douglas
> <douglas at entropygroup.com>, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
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> You cannot make an improvement when all you have for choices are more bums. Punish the criminals and then maybe the bums will have some second thoughts about what they do routinely against the law.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of Curt Hall
> Sent: 2011-01-20 15:12
> To: Bill Lewis; PANTERA-Larry; detomaso at realbig.com; Robert Douglas; Ken Green
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
>
> Though all the Bums out of office, and start fresh! But OBAMA first!!!
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, detomaso at realbig.com, "Robert Douglas" <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:49 PM
>
>
> Robert,
>
> You probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an anti-patent stance. The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association of Molecular Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in the Supreme Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics. Basically, they want to force the company to give away the technology they spent big bucks to develop. A real feel good thing, share the wealth with everyone.
>
> Maybe the first step in rationing health care. Companies won't spend money on developing new medical technology if they can't get patents. People will die sooner and make Obamacare affordable.
>
> Better stay well,
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:56 AM
>
>
> Ken,
>
> You are right, a sports team has a huge impact on local business. But, so does a Ford plant, and the government should not be allowed to tell a business they cannot close a plant. Plus, it is not a loss as the jobs and revenue are gained (and sometimes increased) in the new city.
>
> You will find that my perspective has nothing to do with football. I am a business owner and designer, so I believe intellectual property ownership should be aggressively protected...football teams, not so much. :-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 11:51 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Robert,
>
> I pretty much agree with you unless it's for national security. But moving a team probably has a big impact on local business. It's not nearly as simple as a trademark most businesses use.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 10:44 AM
>
> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
>
> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
>
> My two pennies.
>
> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com> when I want to
> comment? Sorry, new here. :-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks to
> > the city. That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force the
> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. Oakland tried to force
> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved the
> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > sports team was not a public use. This seems inconsistent with the use of
> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >, "PANTERA-Larry"
> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com> >, fresnofinches at aol.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> , detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>
> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com>
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team moves
> >>> from
> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos in
> >>> TN
> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? I
> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> >>> (singing:
> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ;
> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> >>>> lot.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> ] On
> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> it
> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:14:14 EST
> From: JJD1010 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <e25f2.22954502.3a69ffa6 at aol.com>
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>
> Seems I remember there was a skyscraper going up in New York( or London? )
> and they wanted to preserve a local church so they build the tower around
> and over the church.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
>
> In a message dated 1/20/2011 3:08:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> michaelsavga at gmail.com writes:
>
> It may be a monument to something........not sure what.
>
> If it had been me, My flower shop would have new SUPER digs inside the
> hotel
> with easy outside access, rent free and I'd have a whole building full of
> Panteras with the money I got as well.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> There is a time to negotiate and settle, winning isn't everything if it
> costs you more than the value of the spoils.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:05:51 -0800
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, Bill Lewis
> <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>,
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <C95DE3AF.49FD%douglas at entropygroup.com>
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>
> Ken,
>
> People that want to share the wealth definitely should. Obama, or wealthy
> benefactors, should use his/their personal fortune to purchase the
> technology from Myriad and then give it to the common good. I can totally
> get behind that! Actually, I encourage giving...but not forced giving.
> Forced giving isn?t ?giving? at all, it is stealing.
>
> I don?t know enough about health care to wade into that pool. But I am not
> sure how it will all be paid for. My business has gotten smaller and I had
> to get rid of health insurance for us all. I am currently uninsured, and
> while it would be great to think Dems are going to give me free health care,
> I know that isn?t really going to happen. No matter how poor I get, I
> somehow still don?t qualify for any benefits. Funny thing is, now that I am
> upside down on my house by about $180K I am poorer than most poor people
> that rent and get subsidized housing, free food, free drugs, free health
> care and other benefits.
>
> But now I am just ranting...
>
> R.
>
>
>
> On 1/20/11 12:49 PM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > You probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an
> > anti-patent stance. The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association of
> > Molecular Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in the
> > Supreme Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics. Basically,
> > they want to force the company to give away the technology they spent big
> > bucks to develop. A real feel good thing, share the wealth with everyone.
> >
> > Maybe the first step in rationing health care. Companies won't spend money on
> > developing new medical technology if they can't get patents. People will die
> > sooner and make Obamacare affordable.
> >
> > Better stay well,
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>,
> >> "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com,
> >> detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:56 AM
> >>
> >> Ken,
> >>
> >> You are right, a sports team has a huge impact on local business. But, so
> >> does a Ford plant, and the government should not be allowed to tell a
> >> business they cannot close a plant. Plus, it is not a loss as the jobs and
> >> revenue are gained (and sometimes increased) in the new city.
> >>
> >> You will find that my perspective has nothing to do with football. I am a
> >> business owner and designer, so I believe intellectual property ownership
> >> should be aggressively protected...football teams, not so much. :-)
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 11:51 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Robert,
> >>>
> >>> I pretty much agree with you unless it's for national security. But
> >>> moving a team probably has a big impact on local business. It's not nearly
> >>> as simple as a trademark most businesses use.
> >>>
> >>> Ken
> >>>
> >>> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis"
> >>>> <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>,
> >>>> fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 10:44 AM
> >>>>
> >>>> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> >>>> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what
> >>>> they
> >>>> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What
> >>>> you
> >>>> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> >>>> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> >>>> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> >>>> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> >>>> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
> >>>>
> >>>> My two pennies.
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com> when I
> >>>> want to
> >>>> comment? Sorry, new here. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the
> >>>>> trademarks to
> >>>>> > the city. That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. Oakland tried to
> >>>>> force
> >>>>> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis
> >>>>> moved the
> >>>>> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> >>>>> > sports team was not a public use. This seems inconsistent with the use
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Ken
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com
> >>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com
> >>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> >
> >>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>>>> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> >>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >,
> >>>>>> "PANTERA-Larry"
> >>>>>> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com> >,
> >>>>>> fresnofinches at aol.com
> >>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ,
> >>>>>> detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>>>> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees.
> >>>>>> Names,
> >>>>>> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next
> >>>>>> city. I
> >>>>>> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so
> >>>>>> ingrained in
> >>>>>> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> >>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com>
> >>>>>> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>>>> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports
> >>>>>>>> team moves
> >>>>>>> >>> from
> >>>>>>>> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name,
> >>>>>>>> history,
> >>>>>>>> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those
> >>>>>>>> yahoos in
> >>>>>>> >>> TN
> >>>>>>>> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in
> >>>>>>>> Houston)?? I
> >>>>>>>> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> >>>>>>> >>> (singing:
> >>>>>>>> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number
> >>>>>>>> one.........) Lewis
> >>>>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ;
> >>>>>>>> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to
> >>>>>>>>>> crying a
> >>>>>>>> >>>> lot.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.
> >>>>>>>> com>
> >>>>>>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.>>>>>>>>
> com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>> ] On
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the
> >>>>>>>>>> House, but when
> >>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep.
> John
> >>>>>>>> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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>
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>
> Message: 34
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:20:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry
> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>, Ken
> Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, Szwab Konrad HOUSTON IT
> <Konrad.Szwab at AlconLabs.com>
> Message-ID: <885704.29421.qm at web80404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I agree...Punish the criminals....But at this point it seems like the Fox is guarding the Hen house? We need to start at the TOP!
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Szwab,Konrad,HOUSTON,IT <Konrad.Szwab at AlconLabs.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Szwab,Konrad,HOUSTON,IT <Konrad.Szwab at AlconLabs.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>, "Robert Douglas" <douglas at entropygroup.com>, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 1:13 PM
>
>
> You cannot make an improvement when all you have for choices are more bums. Punish the criminals and then maybe the bums will have some second thoughts about what they do routinely against the law.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of Curt Hall
> Sent: 2011-01-20 15:12
> To: Bill Lewis; PANTERA-Larry; detomaso at realbig.com; Robert Douglas; Ken Green
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
>
> Though all the Bums out of office, and start fresh! But OBAMA first!!!
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, detomaso at realbig.com, "Robert Douglas" <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:49 PM
>
>
> Robert,
>
> You probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an anti-patent stance.? The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association of Molecular Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in the Supreme Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics.? Basically, they want to force the company to give away the technology they spent big bucks to develop.? A real feel good thing, share the wealth with everyone.
>
> Maybe the first step in rationing health care.? Companies won't spend money on developing new medical technology if they can't get patents.? People will die sooner and make Obamacare affordable.
>
> Better stay well,
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:56 AM
>
>
> Ken,
>
> You are right, a sports team has a huge impact on? local business. But, so does a Ford plant, and the government should not be allowed to tell a business they cannot close a plant. Plus, it is not a loss as the jobs and revenue are gained (and sometimes increased) in the new city.
>
> You will find that my perspective has nothing to do with football. I am a business owner and designer, so I believe intellectual property ownership should be aggressively protected...football teams, not so much.? :-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 11:51 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Robert,
>
> ???I pretty much agree with you unless it's for national security.? But moving a team probably has a big impact on local business.? It's not nearly as simple as a trademark most businesses use.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 10:44 AM
>
> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
>
> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
>
> My two pennies.
>
> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>? when I want to
> comment? Sorry, new here.? :-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks to
> > the city.? That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force the
> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams.? Oakland tried to force
> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved the
> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > sports team was not a public use.? This seems inconsistent with the use of
> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >, "PANTERA-Larry"
> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com> >, fresnofinches at aol.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> , detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>
> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com>
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" .? .? .? .? .? .When a sports team moves
> >>> from
> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!!? Do you think those yahoos in
> >>> TN
> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)??? ? ? I
> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous.???------Bill
> >>> (singing:
> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ;
> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> >>>> lot.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
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> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> ] On
> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>? Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> it
> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:37:55 EST
> From: JJD1010 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <e3d89.92b12fe.3a6a0533 at aol.com>
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>
> I'm not sure it's that simple. What if they had a gene sequence that was
> highly beneficial but then did nothing with it? In the latest issue of Pop
> Science they describe just such a case related to a rice gene that made it
> resistant to a common type of blight. Monsanto licensed the gene, but then
> did nothing with it, preventing others from doing the same. Seems there s/b
> some sort of moral obligation in a case like this?
>
> Or perhaps, gene licensing s/b based on a large up front payment, an
> "investment" if you will, and not so much on downstream fees. The company
> getting the license would then have so much skin in the game they would have to
> push development to get their "investment" back.
>
> I'm not sure what the best answer is.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
>
> In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:50:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
>
> You probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an
> anti-patent stance. The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association of
> Molecular Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in the
> Supreme Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics.
> Basically, they want to force the company to give away the technology they spent big
> bucks to develop. A real feel good thing, share the wealth with everyone.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 36
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:43:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, PANTERA-Larry
> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, detomaso at realbig.com, Robert Douglas
> <douglas at entropygroup.com>, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <999878.56668.qm at web80406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> If Obamacare is going to be so wonderful? Does this mean Obama and the rest of the Bums are included in Obamacare? Or?are they better then the rest of us? Seems they have there own Health care program? Shouldn't we have at least as good of a health plan as they do? I could be wrong but I don't think there Plan is run by the Government??OH yeah, pass Obamacare AND then read whats in it? Where did I hear that?...House speaker?
>
> OK...Now I'm just ranting
> ??
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, detomaso at realbig.com, "Robert Douglas" <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:49 PM
>
>
> Robert,?
> ?
> You probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an anti-patent stance.? The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association of Molecular Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in the Supreme Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics.? Basically, they want to force the company to give away the technology they spent big bucks to develop.? A real feel good thing, share the wealth with everyone.
> ?
> Maybe the first step in rationing health care.? Companies won't spend money on developing new medical technology if they can't get patents.? People will die sooner and make Obamacare affordable.
> ?
> Better stay well,
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:56 AM
>
>
> Ken,
>
> You are right, a sports team has a huge impact on ?local business. But, so does a Ford plant, and the government should not be allowed to tell a business they cannot close a plant. Plus, it is not a loss as the jobs and revenue are gained (and sometimes increased) in the new city.
>
> You will find that my perspective has nothing to do with football. I am a business owner and designer, so I believe intellectual property ownership should be aggressively protected...football teams, not so much. ?:-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 11:51 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Robert,
> ?
> ???I pretty much agree with you unless it's for national security. ?But moving a team probably has a big impact on local business. ?It's not nearly as simple as a trademark most businesses use. ?
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 10:44 AM
>
> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
>
> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
>
> My two pennies.
>
> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com> ?when I want to
> comment? Sorry, new here. ?:-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks to
> > the city. ?That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force the
> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. ?Oakland tried to force
> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved the
> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > sports team was not a public use. ?This seems inconsistent with the use of
> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> > ?
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=douglas@entropygroup.com> >
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >, "PANTERA-Larry"
> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com> >, fresnofinches at aol.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> , detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>
> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees. Names,
> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next city. I
> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained in
> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com>
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . ?. ?. ?. ?. ?.When a sports team moves
> >>> from
> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name, history,
> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! ?Do you think those yahoos in
> >>> TN
> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)?? ?????I
> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ??------Bill
> >>> (singing:
> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........) Lewis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com> ;
> >>>> detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying a
> >>>> lot.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> ] On
> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ?Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but when
> it
> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ?
> >>>> >>
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> Message: 37
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:50:56 -0800
> From: "Lynn Wall" <cars at wt-inc.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com, 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>,
> fresnofinches at aol.com
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> Don?t remember the settlement details but the flower shop owner was essentially made whole for his legal fees.
>
>
>
> In my opinion you would not have had super digs within the hotel and a garage full of panteras because that offer was not made. No business that has been around for that long is ran by idiots. I?m sure that any offer was given its due and determined to not be in the best interest of the business. Would you still settle if the offer would not allow you to have a garage full of Pantera?s but rather required you to relocate your business and lose your identity with that location?? Apparently the owner was not interested in rebuilding his brand in a new location and the billionaire was not interested in giving him super digs and a garage full of panteras.
>
>
>
> You got to remember that negotiations go both ways. Most people are not willing to ?pay? to make a point. However most are willing to defend their property when forced. The billionaire spent WAAAAAAy more than it would have cost to make a fair market value offer for the property, several years in court if I remember correctly. Any good attorney would have told him to try to negotiate and reach a settlement, it would be cheaper in the end. The billionaire always thought the city would condemn or seize the property under eminent domain so he was not willing to make the necessary offer and instead took the bully approach. Offense was taken and battle plans drawn. I remember that public opinion ran strong against the billionaire for his tactics and arrogance.
>
>
>
> BTW, I think your idea of sweet digs and lots of pateras is the better approach, however I would have to mix in a couple other cars as well.
>
>
>
> Lynn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:08 PM
> To: Lynn Wall
> Cc: Robert Douglas; Ken Green; Bill Lewis; PANTERA-Larry; fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
>
>
>
> It may be a monument to something........not sure what.
>
>
>
> If it had been me, My flower shop would have new SUPER digs inside the hotel with easy outside access, rent free and I'd have a whole building full of Panteras with the money I got as well.
>
>
>
> Michael Shortt
>
>
>
> There is a time to negotiate and settle, winning isn't everything if it costs you more than the value of the spoils.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed,
>
> In fact, here in the land of the "Mormon tabernacle jazz choir" a
> billionaire wanted to build an incredibly beautiful hotel. He bought out
> everyone on the block except one tiny flower shop. The owner had been there
> for decades and did not see why he should have to sell. The billionaire
> took him to court and lost at every level (state supreme court). He then
> went the eminent domain route with the city playing the part of the "heavy".
> He lost again at every level. Today there is a beautiful hotel that covers
> almost the entire block, all except for one small corner that has a tiny
> flower shop in an old building. I think of it at a monument to the "little
> guy"
>
> Lynn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Douglas
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: Ken Green; Bill Lewis; PANTERA-Larry; fresnofinches at aol.com;
> detomaso at realbig.com
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
>
> The government stealing intellectual property from a company is just
> un-American. Thousands of hands have worked on making those brands what they
> are, and the company is the one that should benefit from that work. What you
> are proposing would undermine our economic system as people wouldn?t have
> the protection to prosper from their ideas and labor.
>
> I am against the eminent domain of homes as well. Especially when property
> is turned over to private business. Building a freeway for the benefit of
> citizens? Ok, maybe. But taking property so the local government can simply
> generate more tax revenue for itself is just tacky.
>
> My two pennies.
>
> By the way, do I respond to all, or just detomaso at realbig.com when I want to
> comment? Sorry, new here. :-)
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 1/20/11 10:28 AM, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > A city might use eminent domain theory to force the sale of the trademarks
> to
> > the city. That seems fair because eminent domain has been used to force
> the
> > sale of property to build facilities for the teams. Oakland tried to
> force
> > the sale of the Raiders to the city under eminent domain when Davis moved
> the
> > team to LA, but the court said no because they found that operation of a
> > sports team was not a public use. This seems inconsistent with the use of
> > eminent domain to force the sale of land.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Douglas <douglas at entropygroup.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >> To: "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, "PANTERA-Larry"
> >> <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 9:12 AM
> >>
> >> I agree with the principle, but intellectual property law disagrees.
> Names,
> >> logos, etc. are owned by the team and go along with them to the next
> city. I
> >> know I am stating the obvious.
> >>
> >> It always seems like a shame when a team moves. They become so ingrained
> in
> >> the city's culture and history...only to leave because another city will
> >> build a better stadium or give them more tax breaks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/20/11 7:04 AM, "Bill Lewis" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> >> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lotus0005@hotmail.com> >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > All right - new "can of worms!" . . . . . .When a sports team
> moves
> >>> from
> >>> > one city (Houston Oilers) to another (Tenn#@$%) - the team name,
> history,
> >>> > etc., should remain with the HOME city!!!! Do you think those yahoos
> in
> >>> TN
> >>> > give a rip about Earl Campbell (He-who-walks-on-water in Houston)??
> I
> >>> > would give more examples, but they are too numerous. ------Bill
> >>> (singing:
> >>> > Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers, Houston Oilers number one.........)
> Lewis
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> >> From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larry@ohiotimecorp.com>
> >>>> >> To: fresnofinches at aol.com
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> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:08 -0500
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> << crying like a Little Girl>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> My dear friend Larry,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If you had sports teams like we have, you too would be use to crying
> a
> >>>> lot.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry (Cavs tickets 4sale) - Cleveland
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
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> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
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> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> >>>> ] On
> >>>> >> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:16 PM
> >>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >>>> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Curt, My Dear Friend, wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> But...Pelosi was voted out of office,.....
> >>>> >> ----------------
> >>>> >> Uh, even a Faux Gnus watcher should know that isn't correct.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Say what you will about the first female Speaker of the House, but
> when
> it
> >>>> >> comes to crying like a
> >>>> >> Little Girl, the current Speaker of the House from Ohio, Rep. John
> >>>> Boehner,
> >>>> >> wins that one Hands Down!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Larry
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
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> Message: 38
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:15:29 -0800 (PST)
> From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Long day at work? Tired and need a pick me up? Watch this. Better than coffee...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLzlJ9VV8uU
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 39
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:51:52 -0500
> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> To: "Garth Rodericks" <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>, "DeTomaso Mail
> List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Came quite close to the oncoming truck.
> W
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Garth Rodericks" <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> To: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:15 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
>
>
> > Long day at work? Tired and need a pick me up? Watch this. Better than
> > coffee...
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLzlJ9VV8uU
> >
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> Message: 40
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:56:31 -0800 (PST)
> From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> To: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>, Pantera List
> <DeTomaso at list.realbig.com>
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> That dude in the truck had a little sphincter pinch going!
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 2:15:29 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
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> Long day at work? Tired and need a pick me up? Watch this. Better than coffee...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLzlJ9VV8uU
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> Message: 41
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:11:19 -0500
> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <8CD870E7B063509-1F48-14E0 at webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>
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>
>
>
> In the middle of the day, in a residential zone, with oncoming traffic.........
>
> that Pantera owner is a f---in' idiot and ass-ole.
>
> Great ambassador for our Marque and exotics in general.
>
> And some people wonder why the politicians pick on us?
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 42
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:23:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
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> Well Larry, It was about 9am on Christmas eve. I was gonna just go in the first direction... but I hit the little gravels and kinda turned around. I did see, and know about the only other vehicle.. the truck. I let him pass before I spun her back around. Yeah I was kinda loosin' it .. yeah, It was kinda foolish. I was gonna take the whole film crew off to a private road and then deal with the "road owner". It's done. Try and enjoy it. Notice when I hit second it bogs. That's why I'm building a 408.. Just wait until next time!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> >Sent: Jan 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> >To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In the middle of the day, in a residential zone, with oncoming traffic.........
> >
> >that Pantera owner is a f---in' idiot and ass-ole.
> >
> >Great ambassador for our Marque and exotics in general.
> >
> >And some people wonder why the politicians pick on us?
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >
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> If you want it SLICK.. bring it to SLICKUM Paint Shop www.slickpaint.com
>
>
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> Message: 43
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:30:55 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: JJD1010 at aol.com
> Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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> It gets worse than that, many Corporations like the one mentioned have
> patented every genome in the human DNA sequence,
> you don't even own yourself.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:37 PM, <JJD1010 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure it's that simple. What if they had a gene sequence that was
> > highly beneficial but then did nothing with it? In the latest issue of Pop
> > Science they describe just such a case related to a rice gene that made it
> > resistant to a common type of blight. Monsanto licensed the gene, but then
> > did nothing with it, preventing others from doing the same. Seems there s/b
> > some sort of moral obligation in a case like this?
> >
> > Or perhaps, gene licensing s/b based on a large up front payment, an
> > "investment" if you will, and not so much on downstream fees. The company
> > getting the license would then have so much skin in the game they would
> > have to
> > push development to get their "investment" back.
> >
> > I'm not sure what the best answer is.
> >
> > Jeff
> > 6559
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:50:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> > kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > You probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an
> > anti-patent stance. The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association of
> > Molecular Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in
> > the
> > Supreme Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics.
> > Basically, they want to force the company to give away the technology they
> > spent big
> > bucks to develop. A real feel good thing, share the wealth with
> > everyone.
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> Message: 44
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:39:00 -0600
> From: "Cunnyngham, Christopher B (HSC)"
> <CHRISTOPHER-CUNNYNGHAM at OUHSC.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> To: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Cc: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> You may have seen that truck but you came awfully close to ruining someone's Christmas... all for the sake of some foolish Youtube video. It was clearly luck and not skill that averted a collision.
>
> And I would recommend growing up a bit and learning to control what you've got before you go building that 408.
>
> I'll second Larry's sentiments. Wow...
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:23 PM, bill gaino wrote:
>
> > Well Larry, It was about 9am on Christmas eve. I was gonna just go in the first direction... but I hit the little gravels and kinda turned around. I did see, and know about the only other vehicle.. the truck. I let him pass before I spun her back around. Yeah I was kinda loosin' it .. yeah, It was kinda foolish. I was gonna take the whole film crew off to a private road and then deal with the "road owner". It's done. Try and enjoy it. Notice when I hit second it bogs. That's why I'm building a 408.. Just wait until next time!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> >> Sent: Jan 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In the middle of the day, in a residential zone, with oncoming traffic.........
> >>
> >> that Pantera owner is a f---in' idiot and ass-ole.
> >>
> >> Great ambassador for our Marque and exotics in general.
> >>
> >> And some people wonder why the politicians pick on us?
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> >> Larry
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> Message: 45
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:00:27 -0800
> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: "JJD1010 at aol.com" <JJD1010 at aol.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Jeff,
>
> The reason Monsanto is sitting on the genetically modified rice is that it's against the law to plant it! G M crops are largely banned throughout most of the world except here in the US; however rice has been excluded from the list of crops where GM seeds are allowed. So if you were Monsanto would you invest to develop seeds that you weren't allowed to sell?
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of JJD1010 at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 3:38 PM
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
>
> I'm not sure it's that simple. What if they had a gene sequence that was
> highly beneficial but then did nothing with it? In the latest issue of Pop
> Science they describe just such a case related to a rice gene that made it
> resistant to a common type of blight. Monsanto licensed the gene, but then
> did nothing with it, preventing others from doing the same. Seems there s/b
> some sort of moral obligation in a case like this?
>
> Or perhaps, gene licensing s/b based on a large up front payment, an
> "investment" if you will, and not so much on downstream fees. The company
> getting the license would then have so much skin in the game they would have to
> push development to get their "investment" back.
>
> I'm not sure what the best answer is.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
>
> In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:50:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
>
> You probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an
> anti-patent stance. The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association of
> Molecular Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in the
> Supreme Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics.
> Basically, they want to force the company to give away the technology they spent big
> bucks to develop. A real feel good thing, share the wealth with everyone.
>
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> Message: 46
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:11:07 -0500
> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <8CD8716D5CD2789-1F48-1F54 at webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY are.
>
> Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
>
> Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in his flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets wind of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
>
> Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market is lost to Canadian farmers.
>
> Amazing, but true.
>
> Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 47
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:19:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: JJD1010 at aol.com, michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <650369.91373.qm at web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> You cannot patent anything existing in nature.? The patents cover isolated DNA molecules which do not exist in nature.
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: JJD1010 at aol.com
> Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 3:30 PM
>
>
> It gets worse than that, many Corporations like the one mentioned have
> patented every genome in the human DNA sequence,
> you don't even own yourself.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:37 PM, <JJD1010 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure it's that simple. What if they had a gene sequence that? was
> > highly beneficial but then did nothing with it? In the latest issue of Pop
> > Science they describe just such a case related to a rice gene that made it
> > resistant to a common type of blight. Monsanto licensed the gene, but then
> > did nothing with it, preventing others from doing the same. Seems there s/b
> > some? sort of moral obligation in a case like this?
> >
> > Or perhaps, gene licensing s/b based on a large up front payment, an
> > "investment" if you will, and not so much on downstream fees. The? company
> > getting the license would then have so much skin in the game they would
> >? have to
> > push development to get their "investment" back.
> >
> > I'm not sure what the best answer is.
> >
> > Jeff
> > 6559
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:50:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> > kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > You? probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an
> > anti-patent? stance.? The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association of
> > Molecular? Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in
> > the
> > Supreme? Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics.
> > Basically,? they want to force the company to give away the technology they
> > spent big
> >? bucks to develop.? A real feel good thing, share the wealth with
> >? everyone.
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> Message: 48
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:25:21 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com, JJD1010 at aol.com
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> You are partially correct, it has yet to go all the way to the USSC.
>
> But the good guys are winning, hopefully they will fail completely.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_patent
>
> Thanks for bringing me up to speed,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > You cannot patent anything existing in nature. The patents cover
> > isolated DNA molecules which do not exist in nature.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On *Thu, 1/20/11, michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>*wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> > To: JJD1010 at aol.com
> > Cc: kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 3:30 PM
> >
> >
> > It gets worse than that, many Corporations like the one mentioned have
> > patented every genome in the human DNA sequence,
> > you don't even own yourself.
> >
> > Michael Shortt
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:37 PM, <JJD1010 at aol.com<http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=JJD1010@aol.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not sure it's that simple. What if they had a gene sequence that was
> > > highly beneficial but then did nothing with it? In the latest issue of
> > Pop
> > > Science they describe just such a case related to a rice gene that made
> > it
> > > resistant to a common type of blight. Monsanto licensed the gene, but
> > then
> > > did nothing with it, preventing others from doing the same. Seems there
> > s/b
> > > some sort of moral obligation in a case like this?
> > >
> > > Or perhaps, gene licensing s/b based on a large up front payment, an
> > > "investment" if you will, and not so much on downstream fees. The
> > company
> > > getting the license would then have so much skin in the game they would
> > > have to
> > > push development to get their "investment" back.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what the best answer is.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > > 6559
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:50:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> > > kenn_green at yahoo.com<http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com>writes:
> > >
> > > You probably won't be happy that the Obama Administration is taking an
> > > anti-patent stance. The Justice Dept filed a brief in "The Association
> > of
> > > Molecular Pathology v. The United States Patent and Trademark Office" in
> > > the
> > > Supreme Court case opposing gene patents held by Myriad Genetics.
> > > Basically, they want to force the company to give away the technology
> > they
> > > spent big
> > > bucks to develop. A real feel good thing, share the wealth with
> > > everyone.
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> Message: 49
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:27:10 -0800
> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm NOT defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and more sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high yielding crops!
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of Larry Finch
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
>
>
> Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY are.
>
> Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
>
> Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in his flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets wind of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
>
> Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market is lost to Canadian farmers.
>
> Amazing, but true.
>
> Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
>
> Larry
>
>
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> Message: 50
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:30:11 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <002901cbb902$5d9aa480$18cfed80$@net>
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> Yeah, that was a little too close to another vehicle for my taste.
> However, I have to admit that is exactly how I want to exit whenever I stop
> at friends' home with the Pcar.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of bill gaino
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:24 PM
> To: Larry Finch; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
>
> Well Larry, It was about 9am on Christmas eve. I was gonna just go in the
> first direction... but I hit the little gravels and kinda turned around. I
> did see, and know about the only other vehicle.. the truck. I let him pass
> before I spun her back around. Yeah I was kinda loosin' it .. yeah, It was
> kinda foolish. I was gonna take the whole film crew off to a private road
> and then deal with the "road owner". It's done. Try and enjoy it. Notice
> when I hit second it bogs. That's why I'm building a 408.. Just wait until
> next time!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> >Sent: Jan 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> >To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In the middle of the day, in a residential zone, with oncoming
> traffic.........
> >
> >that Pantera owner is a f---in' idiot and ass-ole.
> >
> >Great ambassador for our Marque and exotics in general.
> >
> >And some people wonder why the politicians pick on us?
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >
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> Message: 51
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:33:51 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Cc: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Did everybody see The Omen?
>
> Nuff said.
>
> Michael
>
> It won't be oil that drives a Third World War, it will be food.
>
> The sooner our asshole leaders figure that out, the sooner we can regain
> solid footing in world afffairs.
> because Thanks to Clinton (NAFTA) and Obama, we're a joke.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>
> > I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm NOT
> > defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up
> > their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but
> > their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were
> > unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and more
> > sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high
> > yielding crops!
> >
> > Gray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On Behalf Of Larry Finch
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> >
> > Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY
> > are.
> >
> > Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of
> > Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
> >
> > Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to
> > mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it
> > cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in his
> > flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets wind
> > of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
> >
> > Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market
> > is lost to Canadian farmers.
> >
> > Amazing, but true.
> >
> > Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results
> > start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 52
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:35:08 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> I don't want to pile on, we have all done things we regret in cars, some of
> you paid for their college I bet.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>wrote:
>
> > Yeah, that was a little too close to another vehicle for my taste.
> > However, I have to admit that is exactly how I want to exit whenever I stop
> > at friends' home with the Pcar.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On
> > Behalf Of bill gaino
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:24 PM
> > To: Larry Finch; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> >
> > Well Larry, It was about 9am on Christmas eve. I was gonna just go in the
> > first direction... but I hit the little gravels and kinda turned around. I
> > did see, and know about the only other vehicle.. the truck. I let him pass
> > before I spun her back around. Yeah I was kinda loosin' it .. yeah, It was
> > kinda foolish. I was gonna take the whole film crew off to a private road
> > and then deal with the "road owner". It's done. Try and enjoy it. Notice
> > when I hit second it bogs. That's why I'm building a 408.. Just wait until
> > next time!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > >Sent: Jan 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> > >To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > >Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In the middle of the day, in a residential zone, with oncoming
> > traffic.........
> > >
> > >that Pantera owner is a f---in' idiot and ass-ole.
> > >
> > >Great ambassador for our Marque and exotics in general.
> > >
> > >And some people wonder why the politicians pick on us?
> > >
> > >Larry
> > >
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> Message: 53
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:36:46 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Often, as you stray further from good, natural, sustainable, animal
> husbandry and farming practices, you ultimately suffer an unforeseen
> fatal-flaw setback.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Gray Gregory
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:27 PM
> To: Larry Finch; detomaso at realbig.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
>
> I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm NOT
> defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up
> their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but
> their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were
> unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and more
> sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high
> yielding crops!
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Larry Finch
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
>
>
> Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY
> are.
>
> Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of
> Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
>
> Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to
> mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it
> cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in his
> flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets wind
> of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
>
> Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market
> is lost to Canadian farmers.
>
> Amazing, but true.
>
> Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results
> start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
>
> Larry
>
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> Message: 54
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:43:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> I recently read that a number of people starved in poor countries because of corn being diverted to make ethanol, and that even Al Gore has finally?figured out that it wasn't real smart.
> ?
> A few years ago a large amount of the lumber industry (including whole towns and a lot of lives) in Oregon was destroyed to protect the spotted owl.? Later they figured out that the lumber industry was not the problem.
> ?
> The point being that stupid politicians with the power of the government behind them?are?a lot more dangerous?than greedy companies that need to make a profit at the end of the day.
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:27 PM
>
>
> I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm NOT defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and more sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high yielding crops!
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of Larry Finch
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
>
>
> Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY are.
>
> Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
>
> Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in his flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets wind of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
>
> Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market is lost to Canadian farmers.
>
> Amazing, but true.
>
> Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
>
> Larry
>
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> Message: 55
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:43:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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>
> I recently read that a number of people starved in poor countries because of corn being diverted to make ethanol, and that even Al Gore has finally?figured out that it wasn't real smart.
> ?
> A few years ago a large amount of the lumber industry (including whole towns and a lot of lives) in Oregon was destroyed to protect the spotted owl.? Later they figured out that the lumber industry was not the problem.
> ?
> The point being that stupid politicians with the power of the government behind them?are?a lot more dangerous?than greedy companies that need to make a profit at the end of the day.
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:27 PM
>
>
> I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm NOT defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and more sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high yielding crops!
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of Larry Finch
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
>
>
> Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY are.
>
> Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
>
> Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in his flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets wind of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
>
> Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market is lost to Canadian farmers.
>
> Amazing, but true.
>
> Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
>
> Larry
>
>
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> Message: 56
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:49:37 -0800
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: <tonydigi at optonline.net>, De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
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>
> Yeah, you get bovine spongiform encephalopathy (Mad Cows), being a carnivore and having lived through that in the UK I swear that's why I was stupid enough to buy 3 Pantera's and sign up for this list....... ;>)
>
> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:36:46 -0500
> > From: tonydigi at optonline.net
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> > Often, as you stray further from good, natural, sustainable, animal
> > husbandry and farming practices, you ultimately suffer an unforeseen
> > fatal-flaw setback.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> > Behalf Of Gray Gregory
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:27 PM
> > To: Larry Finch; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> > I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm NOT
> > defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up
> > their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but
> > their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were
> > unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and more
> > sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high
> > yielding crops!
> >
> > Gray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> > Behalf Of Larry Finch
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> >
> > Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY
> > are.
> >
> > Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of
> > Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
> >
> > Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to
> > mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it
> > cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in his
> > flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets wind
> > of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
> >
> > Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market
> > is lost to Canadian farmers.
> >
> > Amazing, but true.
> >
> > Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results
> > start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
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> Message: 57
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:57:10 -0600
> From: <zumzum at cox.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout not, just bad drifting.
> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, detomaso at realbig.com, bill
> gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Message-ID: <20110120195710.UBGMX.739220.imail at eastrmwml32>
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> A powerful rear weight biased car on cold sloped concrete with cold tires and incorrect rpm
> shifts points in close sight of pick up trucks always defines stupid. Also your car could be
> heard bogging due to the wrong shift rpm, incorrect gas/clutch/shift timing and retarded
> ignition timing. Gravel was not a consideration just fun and that can be cool, if when you
> play with fire you burn no one else. Have fun and don't hurt me.
> Jeff
> ___________________________________
> Well Larry, It was about 9am on Christmas eve. I was gonna just go in the first
> direction... but I hit the little gravels and kinda turned around. I did see,
> and know about the only other vehicle.. the truck. I let him pass before I spun
> her back around. Yeah I was kinda loosin' it .. yeah, It was kinda foolish. I
> was gonna take the whole film crew off to a private road and then deal with the
> "road owner". It's done. Try and enjoy it. Notice when I hit second it bogs.
> That's why I'm building a 408.. Just wait until next time!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> >Sent: Jan 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> >To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In the middle of the day, in a residential zone, with oncoming
> traffic.........
> >
> >that Pantera owner is a f---in' idiot and ass-ole.
> >
> >Great ambassador for our Marque and exotics in general.
> >
> >And some people wonder why the politicians pick on us?
> >
> >Larry
> >
>
>
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>
> Message: 58
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:11:22 -0800
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator needed--or advice, anyway
> To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT139-w4601E3A689E474041D1139BCF80 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
>
>
>
> Remember the leaking radiator about which I was recently ranting?
>
> I got word today that the leak isn't coming from one of the places where the plastic rods holding the sucker fan are. My apologies to the mechanic who installed it that way who I accused of the problem.
>
> No, it turns out that one of the main pipes leading into the core is leaking--and the radiator has to be taken apart to be fixed at a cost of $450.00.
>
> I paid about $600 for the radiator brand new a few years ago. It's a double core, brass unit and was working great until the leak appeared.
>
> I can get an aluminum, lay-down unit but it costs over $1000.00--more than the budget allows right now.
>
> Does anyone have a new radiator lying around they want to sell me for a great price?
>
> If not, I guess I'll have to pony up the $450. I already owe them $50 for the estimate, so at this point it would really cost me that much more to replace rather than it.
>
> Advice?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
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> Message: 59
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:10:42 -0800
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator needed--or advice, anyway
> To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT139-w306511F74338351E14A2BDBCF80 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
> Remember the leaking radiator about which I was recently ranting?
>
> I got word today that the leak isn't coming from one of the places where the plastic rods holding the sucker fan are. My apologies to the mechanic who installed it that way who I accused of the problem.
>
> No, it turns out that one of the main pipes leading into the core is leaking--and the radiator has to be taken apart to be fixed at a cost of $450.00.
>
> I paid about $600 for the radiator brand new a few years ago. It's a double core, brass unit and was working great until the leak appeared.
>
> I can get an aluminum, lay-down unit but it costs over $1000.00--more than the budget allows right now.
>
> Does anyone have a new radiator lying around they want to sell me for a great price?
>
> If not, I guess I'll have to pony up the $450. I already owe them $50 for the estimate, so at this point it would really cost me that much more to replace rather than repair it.
>
> Advice?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 60
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:27:25 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator needed--or advice, anyway
> To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Cc: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTi=rBEYhojhDkVJWoC6T7LUzm-i0MuFba=iFYiEd at mail.gmail.com>
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> You can buy a Fluidyne from Summit for a little over $500.00
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Christopher Kimball
> <chrisvkimball at msn.com>wrote:
>
> >
> > Remember the leaking radiator about which I was recently ranting?
> >
> > I got word today that the leak isn't coming from one of the places where
> > the plastic rods holding the sucker fan are. My apologies to the mechanic
> > who installed it that way who I accused of the problem.
> >
> > No, it turns out that one of the main pipes leading into the core is
> > leaking--and the radiator has to be taken apart to be fixed at a cost of
> > $450.00.
> >
> > I paid about $600 for the radiator brand new a few years ago. It's a
> > double core, brass unit and was working great until the leak appeared.
> >
> > I can get an aluminum, lay-down unit but it costs over $1000.00--more than
> > the budget allows right now.
> >
> > Does anyone have a new radiator lying around they want to sell me for a
> > great price?
> >
> > If not, I guess I'll have to pony up the $450. I already owe them $50 for
> > the estimate, so at this point it would really cost me that much more to
> > replace rather than repair it.
> >
> > Advice?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
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> Message: 61
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:36:02 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: 'De Tomaso List' <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Nah, you're stupid for saying bovine spongiform encephalopathy instead of
> just Madcow. ;^)
> You're optimistic for buying 3 Panteras and signing up for this list.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Julian Kift
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:50 PM
> To: tonydigi at optonline.net; De Tomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
>
>
> Yeah, you get bovine spongiform encephalopathy (Mad Cows), being a carnivore
> and having lived through that in the UK I swear that's why I was stupid
> enough to buy 3 Pantera's and sign up for this list....... ;>)
>
> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:36:46 -0500
> > From: tonydigi at optonline.net
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> > Often, as you stray further from good, natural, sustainable, animal
> > husbandry and farming practices, you ultimately suffer an unforeseen
> > fatal-flaw setback.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Gray Gregory
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:27 PM
> > To: Larry Finch; detomaso at realbig.com
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> > I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm
> NOT
> > defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up
> > their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but
> > their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were
> > unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and
> more
> > sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high
> > yielding crops!
> >
> > Gray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Larry Finch
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> >
> > Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY
> > are.
> >
> > Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of
> > Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
> >
> > Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to
> > mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it
> > cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in
> his
> > flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets
> wind
> > of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
> >
> > Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market
> > is lost to Canadian farmers.
> >
> > Amazing, but true.
> >
> > Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results
> > start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 62
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:36:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>, michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> The sad part...even if we do vote these Ass Holes out of office. (and we need too)?WE still get to pay there way and Health Ins. the rest of there sorry ass lives!??
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Cc: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:33 PM
>
>
> Did everybody see The Omen?
>
> Nuff said.
>
> Michael
>
> It won't be oil that drives a Third World War, it will be food.
>
> The sooner our asshole leaders figure that out, the sooner we can regain
> solid footing in world afffairs.
> because Thanks to Clinton (NAFTA) and Obama, we're a joke.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>
> > I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm NOT
> > defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up
> > their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but
> > their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were
> > unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and more
> > sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high
> > yielding crops!
> >
> > Gray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On Behalf Of Larry Finch
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> >
> >? Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY
> > are.
> >
> > Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of
> > Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
> >
> > Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to
> > mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it
> > cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in his
> > flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets wind
> > of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
> >
> > Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market
> > is lost to Canadian farmers.
> >
> > Amazing, but true.
> >
> > Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results
> > start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael L. Shortt
> Savannah, Georgia
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> Message: 63
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:47:35 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC...You may want to Delete?
> To: 'Lynn Wall' <cars at wt-inc.com>, michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, detomaso at realbig.com,
> fresnofinches at aol.com
> Message-ID: <000901cbb90d$2d4fa9a0$87eefce0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> "...Any good attorney would have told him to try to negotiate and reach a settlement, it would be cheaper in the end..."
>
> There are so many things wrong with this statement, I don't even know where to start. ;^)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 64
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:53:10 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: 'Curt Hall' <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, 'Gray Gregory'
> <rgg at gregorycook.com>, michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: 'Larry Finch' <fresnofinches at aol.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <000b01cbb90d$f50c79a0$df256ce0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hmmmm. Maybe I finally found a reason to enter politics.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Curt Hall
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:37 PM
> To: Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: Larry Finch; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
>
> The sad part...even if we do vote these Ass Holes out of office. (and we
> need too)?WE still get to pay there way and Health Ins. the rest of there
> sorry ass lives!??
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Cc: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:33 PM
>
>
> Did everybody see The Omen?
>
> Nuff said.
>
> Michael
>
> It won't be oil that drives a Third World War, it will be food.
>
> The sooner our asshole leaders figure that out, the sooner we can regain
> solid footing in world afffairs.
> because Thanks to Clinton (NAFTA) and Obama, we're a joke.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>
> > I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm
> NOT
> > defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up
> > their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but
> > their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were
> > unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and
> more
> > sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high
> > yielding crops!
> >
> > Gray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On Behalf Of Larry Finch
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> >
> >? Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY
> > are.
> >
> > Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of
> > Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
> >
> > Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to
> > mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it
> > cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in
> his
> > flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets
> wind
> > of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
> >
> > Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market
> > is lost to Canadian farmers.
> >
> > Amazing, but true.
> >
> > Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results
> > start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael L. Shortt
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> Message: 65
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:06:18 -0500
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - First time
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <000c01cbb90f$cb012910$61037b30$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> This is the first time in over 10 years I have ever started an NPC string on
> this list, but, OMG, if you want to see the dumbest woman in America, go to
> Yahoo now. "Viral Star may sue Mall"
>
> http://www.yahoo.com/_ylt=AiUVSG7favXjTIG6uk4YkPKbvZx4;_ylc=X3oDMTdndHNmbmJq
> BF9TAzIwMjM1MzgwNzUEYQMxMTAxMjAgbmV3cyBmb3VudGFpbiBmYWxsZXIgdgRjcG9zAzIEZwNp
> ZC02MzAwNwRpbnRsA3VzBGl0YwMwBGx0eHQDVmlyYWxzdGFybWF5c3VlbWFsbARwa2d2AzE5BHBv
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> aWRlby91cy0xNTc0OTYyNS9mb3VudGFpbi1sYWR5LW5vYm9keS13ZW50LXRvLW15LWFpZC0yMzkw
> OTk4NwR0ZXN0Azk2Mw--/SIG=1383nt5e9/EXP=1295661215/**http%3A//news.yahoo.com/
> video/us-15749625/fountain-lady-nobody-went-to-my-aid-23909987
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 66
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:09:57 -0500
> From: jderyke at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <8CD87276F6B52A7-D00-16E6C at webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
> To: mikeldrew at aol.com; asajay at asajay.com; De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 20, 2011 12:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
>
>
> I guess we have to qualify what you mean by 'bushings'; QA1's come complete in one of two end styles 1) a std poly bushing suffix P or 2) a heim/rod end suffix B.
> The poly ends are like your conventional Koni's etc. but may require a washer or so between the poly bushing and mount if the poly bushing is not as wide as the oem shock/mount. The Heim version is quite a bit narrower so requires spacers to mount centrally between the Pantera shock tabs. These spacers are really nothing more than a piece of tube stock cut to length and machined down one end to sit inside the heim joint. One alternative is to make the mounting hole slightly larger and use a larger diameter bolt that fits the heim joint and then the spacers become simple cut pieces of tube stock, another is a tube over a tube.
>
>
> Quella's bushing/spacers for Konis also resize the hole thru the shock heim since they press part-way inside the hardened ball. The Pantera bolts are smaller than the holes Koni supplies. In this case a couple of stacks of washers or simple tube-spacers would likely rattle after awhile. Dunno about other brands. FWIW- J Deryke
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 67
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:13:53 -0800
> From: "P. Rimov" <rimov at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie Ferrari, Drewsastered! :>)
> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <A437778E51864D9ABD8B7F6D0AA8179B at paulfhsozn5c2p>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Jezzz, I thought every one had been inoculated against the Drew Flu by this
> time.
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laurie Ferrari, Drewsastered! :>)
>
>
> > Hi guys, (disregard earlier post; AOL just 'sent' it all of sudden, while
> > I
> > was still writing it....)
> >
> > Long-time forum and club members will know that I have a particularly
> > acute
> > reputation for causing virtually any Pantera within my reach to
> > spontaneously fall apart. Not by any direct action on my part, mind you;
> > when I work
> > on a Pantera, the thing I work on is always fine. But just my presence
> > seems to inspire Panteras to find new and inventive ways to achieve a
> > 'failure
> > to progress'.
> >
> > This weekend I was down in So-Cal attending Grant Stockwell's memorial (a
> > wonderful event, by the way). While I was down there, I inspired Laurie
> > Ferrari to get her beautiful GT5 out for a drive. We drove it about nine
> > miles, parked it in an open lot, and I took a handful of photos. I asked
> > her
> > to turn it slightly to face the sun from a different angle. She got in,
> > started up, drove a few feet, and this was the result!
> >
> > http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=28617
> >
> > It turns out that it had been so long (years????) since Laurie checked her
> > tire pressure, that her tire had virtually no air in it, and was reliant
> > solely on the strength of the 40-series sidewall to keep it in place.
> > Reviewing the photos shows no indication of this whatsoever, by the way.
> > But when
> > she turned full lock to turn the car around, the severe scrub radius of
> > the
> > GT5 suspension geometry caused the bead to break and the tire completely
> > deflated!
> >
> > Fortunately this happened at sub-walking speed, and she only drove a few
> > feet before stopping.
> >
> > And here was the inevitable rest of that story:
> >
> > http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=28613
> >
> > It wound up taking an hour and a half for the tow truck to arrive.
> >
> > On the way back home, we passed a red Pantera just parked in the driveway
> > of a repair shop. Once we got the car home, we took her Corvette and went
> > back to take some photos; #4476 is now added to the Provamo registry. :>)
> >
> > We then went to visit Mike Mayberry (who I'd amazingly never met) at his
> > small but famous (in Pantera circles anyway) dealership in North
> > Hollywood,
> > just a few miles from Laurie's house. He was kind enough to loan Laurie
> > a
> > new space-saver spare from a Lincoln so she could roll her Pantera around
> > while the wheel/tire situation was being sorted out.
> >
> > http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=28620
> >
> > Mike was just a super guy; not only did he loan Laurie a wheel and tire,
> > but he offered to fix her Pantera tire for her. And on top of that, he
> > gave
> > me a bunch of Pantera notepads so I could take them home and duplicate
> > them
> > for the POCA store.
> >
> > All and all, an interesting and productive day, even though it didn't turn
> > out as planned!
> >
> > Mike
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> Message: 68
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:28:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: 'Gray Gregory' <rgg at gregorycook.com>, michael at michaelshortt.com,
> Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Cc: 'Larry Finch' <fresnofinches at aol.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
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> I've been?thinking about the same thing for?a long time! Just 4 years! I promise to be at every vote! I'm single so let the bimbo's flow! Maybe I could run on a Platform of A Pantera in every garage! That's it! 4 years and I'm out!...Please send my check... Care of the Bahamas! I'll be there with the rest of the Ass Holes! Baw ha ha ha?
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: "'Curt Hall'" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "'Gray Gregory'" <rgg at gregorycook.com>, michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: "'Larry Finch'" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 5:53 PM
>
>
> Hmmmm.? Maybe I finally found a reason to enter politics.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Curt Hall
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:37 PM
> To: Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: Larry Finch; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
>
> The sad part...even if we do vote these Ass Holes out of office. (and we
> need too)?WE still get to pay there way and Health Ins. the rest of there
> sorry ass lives!??
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Cc: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:33 PM
>
>
> Did everybody see The Omen?
>
> Nuff said.
>
> Michael
>
> It won't be oil that drives a Third World War, it will be food.
>
> The sooner our asshole leaders figure that out, the sooner we can regain
> solid footing in world afffairs.
> because Thanks to Clinton (NAFTA) and Obama, we're a joke.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>
> > I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm
> NOT
> > defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up
> > their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but
> > their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were
> > unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and
> more
> > sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high
> > yielding crops!
> >
> > Gray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On Behalf Of Larry Finch
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> >
> >? Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY
> > are.
> >
> > Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of
> > Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
> >
> > Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to
> > mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it
> > cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in
> his
> > flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets
> wind
> > of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
> >
> > Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market
> > is lost to Canadian farmers.
> >
> > Amazing, but true.
> >
> > Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results
> > start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 69
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:54:04 -0800
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator needed--or advice, anyway
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
> Message-ID: <20110120185404.cky64xzfy8s0c8sw at webmail.asajay.com>
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> OUCH! What did you do? Tell them you drove a Ferrari?
>
> Maybe I'm out of touch, but that seems to be an outrageous price. You
> could probably cut the tube and solder it shut yourself (if you had
> the skill and patience).
>
> If it's just one tube leaking at the core I don't understand. Call
> around with a description of the problem and get some more quotes. A
> hundred bucks I can see, but $450?
>
> But I'm cheap.
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Remember the leaking radiator about which I was recently ranting?
> >
> > I got word today that the leak isn't coming from one of the places
> > where the plastic rods holding the sucker fan are. My apologies to
> > the mechanic who installed it that way who I accused of the problem.
> >
> > No, it turns out that one of the main pipes leading into the core is
> > leaking--and the radiator has to be taken apart to be fixed at a
> > cost of $450.00.
> >
> > I paid about $600 for the radiator brand new a few years ago. It's
> > a double core, brass unit and was working great until the leak
> > appeared.
> >
> > I can get an aluminum, lay-down unit but it costs over
> > $1000.00--more than the budget allows right now.
> >
> > Does anyone have a new radiator lying around they want to sell me
> > for a great price?
> >
> > If not, I guess I'll have to pony up the $450. I already owe them
> > $50 for the estimate, so at this point it would really cost me that
> > much more to replace rather than it.
> >
> > Advice?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
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> Message: 70
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:09:54 -0600
> From: " Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
> To: <D421996 at aol.com>
> Cc: 'Detomaso Forum' <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Dear D421996,
>
> The first set of Konis plus springs were purchased from PPC and
> installed by them in about 1995 or so. No problems with them in use on
> street and track. Pantera no. 2 has Konis and springs purchased from PPC
> (Pantera Performance Center in Colorado 1-303-660-9897) in about 2005. I
> installed them at home. No problems with them at all. Bolt them on and
> you're done. PPC will set them up for your desired driving: street, track,
> etc and you just bolt them on. Between the two cars there is about 30k
> trouble free Koni coilover miles.
>
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of D421996 at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: Detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Coil overs
>
> Where is the best place to get coil overs for a 74? What does Koni charge
> for rebuilding? Mine is a street car not a race car, any thoughts?
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> Message: 71
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:38:52 -0500 (EST)
> From: SOBill at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Water temp. sendor
> To: shawkins777 at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
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> Steve,
>
> Read the article at _http://www.panteraplace.com/page205.htm_
> (http://www.panteraplace.com/page205.htm) .
>
> You can verify that the gauge is working by measuring the voltage at the
> senor terminal (or the back of the gauge) with the sensor disconnected.
>
> Get a Borg-Warner WT324 or a Niehoff TS 25571 sender. Getting a generic
> sender for a 351C Cleveland equipped car doesn't guarantee anything.
>
> Have fun today,
>
> sobill at aol.com
>
>
>
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> Message: 72
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:10:59 -0500
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
> To: gaino at earthlink.net, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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>
> Not that I recommend people make a habit of doing this, but it could be a point of view issue-- I mean visual point of view
> >From the camera's location it looked like the truck was pretty close, but it was probably separated from the Pantera by more distance that it appeared.
>
> I didn't see the truck slamming on his brakes or anything, so he must not have been too worried
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>; detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Thu, Jan 20, 2011 3:23 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
>
>
> Well Larry, It was about 9am on Christmas eve. I was gonna just go in the first
> irection... but I hit the little gravels and kinda turned around. I did see,
> nd know about the only other vehicle.. the truck. I let him pass before I spun
> er back around. Yeah I was kinda loosin' it .. yeah, It was kinda foolish. I
> as gonna take the whole film crew off to a private road and then deal with the
> road owner". It's done. Try and enjoy it. Notice when I hit second it bogs.
> hat's why I'm building a 408.. Just wait until next time!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Sent: Jan 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera burnout
>
>
>
>
> In the middle of the day, in a residential zone, with oncoming
> raffic.........
>
> that Pantera owner is a f---in' idiot and ass-ole.
>
> Great ambassador for our Marque and exotics in general.
>
> And some people wonder why the politicians pick on us?
>
> Larry
>
>
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> Message: 73
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:27:11 EST
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator needed--or advice, anyway
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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>
> In a message dated 1/20/11 17 12 26, chrisvkimball at msn.com writes:
>
>
> > No, it turns out that one of the main pipes leading into the core is
> > leaking--and the radiator has to be taken apart to be fixed at a cost of
> > $450.00.
> >
> [snip]
>
> If not, I guess I'll have to pony up the $450.? I already owe them $50 for
> the estimate, so at this point it would really cost me that much more to
> replace rather than it.
>
>
> >>>Oh, these guys saw you coming, big-time!
>
> First of all, no respectible radiator shop charges a dime for an estimate.
> So they already screwed you before they even touched the thing.
>
> You're saying that one of the two main pipes that enters the radiator is
> leaking? That's a ten-minute fix, tops.
>
> By way of comparison, consider these two examples.
>
> I brought a brass Hall Pantera radiator to my local radiator shop, before
> installing it in Lori's Pantera, because it was used and I wanted to ensure
> it was perfect. They tested it (free, naturally) while I watched, and one
> of the fittings where the temperature switches are installed was leaking.
> So they blasted the whole radiator clean, rodded it out, fixed the leak,
> painted it, and pressure-tested it again to ensure it was good to go. It was
> ready the next day.
>
> Cost--$40.
>
> I then brought them Relay Rick Moseley's Ferrari 308 radiator which was
> visibly trashed--it had all sorts of stains on the back side from where the
> core had developed numerous leaks. The core couldn't be saved, so they took
> it completely apart, replaced it with a new heavy-duty Modine core, painted
> it, pressure-tested it etc., and while they were at it, they also cleaned,
> pressure-tested, repaired and painted the A/C condensor radiator.
>
> Cost for both jobs (parts and labor) -- $450 or thereabouts.
>
> I say, go pick up your radiator, do your best to avoid paying the
> extortionate $50 fee (but you did agree to it, so you don't have much to say about
> it), then take it to a different shop!
>
> Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 74
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:08:28 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
> From: wkooiman at earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator needed--or advice, anyway
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
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>
> I agree.
>
> Or, replace the radiator with a Fluidyne for about $400.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >Sent: Jan 20, 2011 11:27 PM
> >To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator needed--or advice, anyway
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 1/20/11 17 12 26, chrisvkimball at msn.com writes:
> >
> >
> >> No, it turns out that one of the main pipes leading into the core is
> >> leaking--and the radiator has to be taken apart to be fixed at a cost of
> >> $450.00.
> >>
> >[snip]
> >
> >If not, I guess I'll have to pony up the $450.? I already owe them $50 for
> >the estimate, so at this point it would really cost me that much more to
> >replace rather than it.
> >
> >
> >>>>Oh, these guys saw you coming, big-time!
> >
> >First of all, no respectible radiator shop charges a dime for an estimate.
> > So they already screwed you before they even touched the thing.
> >
> >You're saying that one of the two main pipes that enters the radiator is
> >leaking? That's a ten-minute fix, tops.
> >
> >By way of comparison, consider these two examples.
> >
> >I brought a brass Hall Pantera radiator to my local radiator shop, before
> >installing it in Lori's Pantera, because it was used and I wanted to ensure
> >it was perfect. They tested it (free, naturally) while I watched, and one
> >of the fittings where the temperature switches are installed was leaking.
> >So they blasted the whole radiator clean, rodded it out, fixed the leak,
> >painted it, and pressure-tested it again to ensure it was good to go. It was
> >ready the next day.
> >
> >Cost--$40.
> >
> >I then brought them Relay Rick Moseley's Ferrari 308 radiator which was
> >visibly trashed--it had all sorts of stains on the back side from where the
> >core had developed numerous leaks. The core couldn't be saved, so they took
> >it completely apart, replaced it with a new heavy-duty Modine core, painted
> >it, pressure-tested it etc., and while they were at it, they also cleaned,
> >pressure-tested, repaired and painted the A/C condensor radiator.
> >
> >Cost for both jobs (parts and labor) -- $450 or thereabouts.
> >
> >I say, go pick up your radiator, do your best to avoid paying the
> >extortionate $50 fee (but you did agree to it, so you don't have much to say about
> >it), then take it to a different shop!
> >
> >Mike
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> Message: 75
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:17:26 -0800
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator needed--or advice, anyway
> To: <wkooiman at earthlink.net>, Pantera List Serve
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
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>
> Thank you for the help. I will definitely go to plan B and get my radiator back from that shop.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
> > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:08:28 -0600
> > From: wkooiman at earthlink.net
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator needed--or advice, anyway
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > Or, replace the radiator with a Fluidyne for about $400.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > >Sent: Jan 20, 2011 11:27 PM
> > >To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> > >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator needed--or advice, anyway
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated 1/20/11 17 12 26, chrisvkimball at msn.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >> No, it turns out that one of the main pipes leading into the core is
> > >> leaking--and the radiator has to be taken apart to be fixed at a cost of
> > >> $450.00.
> > >>
> > >[snip]
> > >
> > >If not, I guess I'll have to pony up the $450. I already owe them $50 for
> > >the estimate, so at this point it would really cost me that much more to
> > >replace rather than it.
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>Oh, these guys saw you coming, big-time!
> > >
> > >First of all, no respectible radiator shop charges a dime for an estimate.
> > > So they already screwed you before they even touched the thing.
> > >
> > >You're saying that one of the two main pipes that enters the radiator is
> > >leaking? That's a ten-minute fix, tops.
> > >
> > >By way of comparison, consider these two examples.
> > >
> > >I brought a brass Hall Pantera radiator to my local radiator shop, before
> > >installing it in Lori's Pantera, because it was used and I wanted to ensure
> > >it was perfect. They tested it (free, naturally) while I watched, and one
> > >of the fittings where the temperature switches are installed was leaking.
> > >So they blasted the whole radiator clean, rodded it out, fixed the leak,
> > >painted it, and pressure-tested it again to ensure it was good to go. It was
> > >ready the next day.
> > >
> > >Cost--$40.
> > >
> > >I then brought them Relay Rick Moseley's Ferrari 308 radiator which was
> > >visibly trashed--it had all sorts of stains on the back side from where the
> > >core had developed numerous leaks. The core couldn't be saved, so they took
> > >it completely apart, replaced it with a new heavy-duty Modine core, painted
> > >it, pressure-tested it etc., and while they were at it, they also cleaned,
> > >pressure-tested, repaired and painted the A/C condensor radiator.
> > >
> > >Cost for both jobs (parts and labor) -- $450 or thereabouts.
> > >
> > >I say, go pick up your radiator, do your best to avoid paying the
> > >extortionate $50 fee (but you did agree to it, so you don't have much to say about
> > >it), then take it to a different shop!
> > >
> > >Mike
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> Message: 76
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:19:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: 'Curt Hall' <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, 'Gray Gregory'
> <rgg at gregorycook.com>, michael at michaelshortt.com, Tony DiGiovanna
> <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Cc: 'Larry Finch' <fresnofinches at aol.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
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> I get a lot of email from friends slamming Obama (gives you an idea of the kind of friends I have) and I check out the?questionable emails and don't forward them if they are not accurate.? Recently I received one about Obama's records being sealed?and I honestly don't know how true that is, but it also said that both Obama and his wife had dropped their Illinois bar memberships.? I checked on the Illinois Bar web site, and it clearly shows that both of them were but are no longer members of the state bar.? That really raises questions and makes me wonder what the truth is about these people who came from nowhere to the White House very quickly and have pushed to change the fabric of America.
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: "'Curt Hall'" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "'Gray Gregory'" <rgg at gregorycook.com>, michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: "'Larry Finch'" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 5:53 PM
>
>
> Hmmmm.? Maybe I finally found a reason to enter politics.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Curt Hall
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:37 PM
> To: Gray Gregory; michael at michaelshortt.com
> Cc: Larry Finch; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
>
> The sad part...even if we do vote these Ass Holes out of office. (and we
> need too)?WE still get to pay there way and Health Ins. the rest of there
> sorry ass lives!??
>
> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> To: "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> Cc: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "detomaso at realbig.com"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 4:33 PM
>
>
> Did everybody see The Omen?
>
> Nuff said.
>
> Michael
>
> It won't be oil that drives a Third World War, it will be food.
>
> The sooner our asshole leaders figure that out, the sooner we can regain
> solid footing in world afffairs.
> because Thanks to Clinton (NAFTA) and Obama, we're a joke.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>
> > I was just pointing out the specific reason for sitting on GM rice. I'm
> NOT
> > defending Monsanto! People can do their own research on them and make up
> > their own minds. I'm personally not a fan of their business tactics, but
> > their technology has enabled farmers to achieve crop yields that were
> > unimaginable a decade or so ago. And as food resources become more and
> more
> > sought after around the world we're going to be glad we have these high
> > yielding crops!
> >
> > Gray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On Behalf Of Larry Finch
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:11 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Monsanto
> >
> >
> >? Now that we have morphed to Monsanto........what a dick of a company THEY
> > are.
> >
> > Google the Canadian farmer that lost in court to them over his 'use' of
> > Monsanto's Round-up resistant flax seed.
> >
> > Now flax is a very small seed, prone to falling off trucks on the way to
> > mills. So this farmer, NOT wanting to use their seed for his crop as it
> > cannot be exported to Europe, winds up with volunteer Monsanto plants in
> his
> > flax field. Which in turn wind up in his harvest. Monsanto somehow gets
> wind
> > of this, sues his ass for using their seed without buying it.....
> >
> > Now the whole Canadian flax industry is contaminated and the Europe market
> > is lost to Canadian farmers.
> >
> > Amazing, but true.
> >
> > Don't be surprised if you really get worked up once your Google results
> > start to feed you to other instances of that company's greed and legalese.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 77
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:52:23 -0800
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator leak addendum
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> I just did some research, and my leaking radiator was purchased from Hall Pantera in July of 2007 for $600.00.
>
> Do you think Hall Pantera's warranty is longer than 3 1/2 years...?!!!
>
> Chris
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 78
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:55:31 EST
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator leak addendum
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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>
> In a message dated 1/20/11 22 52 42, chrisvkimball at msn.com writes:
>
>
> > I just did some research, and my leaking radiator was purchased from Hall
> > Pantera in July of 2007 for $600.00.
> >
> > Do you think Hall Pantera's warranty is longer than 3 1/2 years...?!!!
> >
>
> Definitely not.
>
> That's a GREAT radiator by the way. Chances are the leak was caused by
> whoever installed it manhandling the hose outlets. They are just brazed in
> place, not welded!
>
> Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 79
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:24:14 -0800
> From: "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Water temp. sendor
> To: <detomaso at list.realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <000001cbb944$972a2f30$c57e8d90$@telus.net>
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> While we're on the topic of water temp gauge sending units; it's always
> struck me as odd that DeTomaso didn't use the Veglia sending unit that's
> designed to work with the Pantera's Veglia water temp gauge. The Maserati
> Bora uses the same water temp gauge as most Panteras. No, it doesn't have
> the gauge that reads to 260 degrees; rather, it has the one that reads from
> 90 to 230 degrees. It also uses an Italian water temp sending unit,
> presumably made by Veglia and presumably a perfect match with the Pantera's
> water temp gauge. Has anyone ever adapted one of these units to their
> Pantera? It appears all that would be needed is a 16mm x 1.5 to 5/8" NPT
> adapter and a different wiring connector.
>
>
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