[DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math

Tue Jan 25 20:01:27 EST 2011

Don't get me wrong; I would never, ever, want anyone to tell someone else what they can or can't do with their own property.  For instance, I really resent the whole concept of "eminent domain," or being told who I have to hire or fire, or being told I can't erect a carport on my own property, etc. etc. etc.

I'm just saying that just because someting is legal doesn't mean it's in good taste.  I could eat a three-course meal in front of a starving child and not be breaking any laws that might be on the books, but for me, that would be an example of breaking a moral law.  Each person has to decided for him/herself what that kind of law is for them, and on what they base it.

Fortunately, the same freedom that allows someone to ruin a thing of beauty is the same freedom that allows me to call them stupid.  Let's all pray that kind of freedom is never taken away from us, even if it means (sob!) someone destroys, for instance, a Pantera in the name of entertainment.  Just don't expect me to watch it!

Sincerely,

Chris (who is unavoidably beginning to show his true political colors...)

> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:43:04 -0800
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math
> From: douglas at entropygroup.com
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com; jjd1010 at aol.com
> 
> I think this starts to move into the importance of personal property rights.
> The car wasn't wasted if money was given for it as a "cash for clunkers"
> trade in...and then whomever owns it (the dealership?) can do whatever it
> wants with it because they own it. Same with Green Day. They own the stuff
> they trash, because they can do whatever they want with their property. In
> order for us to be able to do what we want with our stuff...they have to be
> able to do what they want with their stuff.
> 
> Like you, I try not to be political. And I think my point above is about
> rights, not a specific party. I also hope they don't decide to get rid of
> indiscriminant waste, because my Pantera gets 8mpg, and we have four cars
> for two people. And my house has rooms that we never use.
> 
> Now, on to music! I love Green Day and will put them on here at the office
> as soon as I am done with my Nine Inch Nails marathon.
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> On 1/25/11 10:03 AM, "Christopher Kimball" <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I tend to avoid voicing my political opinion too much on the forum (I don't
> > want to offend any of the people who have given and continue to give me help
> > with my Pantera), but I will say this: Last year I went to a car show, and
> > one of the "contests" they did was to have people guess how long a car would
> > last with all the fluids drained and a brick on the accelerator. The car they
> > used was something like a mid-80's Cordoba; not a car I care about, but just
> > as nice (or nicer) than my first car. I watched with morbid fascination as
> > this perfectly good car was ruined right before my eyes. The rationale behind
> > it was that this car was one of the cash for clunkers trade-ins and had to be
> > ruined anyway. I thought of my son who, after working hard toward the goal,
> > recently finished paying off his first car, yet the car in the "contest" one
> > was simply wasted.
> > 
> > Watching the car go up in smoke, I felt the same way I did when I saw a video
> > of the band Green Day smashing and burning their instruments at the end of a
> > concert--sick to my stomach. I was a young drummer once, and saved every cent
> > I could to buy good-quality equipment, and now I see that idiot Green Day
> > drummer destroying perfectly good drums and cymbals.
> > 
> > That kind of indescriminant waste of resources is criminal, whether sanctioned
> > by the Government or a rich, spoiled celebrity.
> > 
> > That's my opinion, of course. And in the interest of full disclosure, I do
> > admit to putting a firecracker in a Johnny Lightning when I was a kid and
> > blowing it up just for kicks.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:14:58 -0800
> >> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com; JJD1010 at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math
> >> 
> >> After seeing some seriously flawed answers on snopes, I did some research.
> >> It is run by bleeding heart liberals who support Obama, and snopes is
> >> supported by George Soros. It is great at giving the part of the truth that
> >> supports liberal positions.
> >> 
> >> But what makes me really angry is that other than the UAW, they only people
> >> who benefited from this idiotic waste of taxes were people who could afford
> >> new cars, and the cars I saw sitting waiting to be crushed were a lot better
> >> than many cars our kids are driving. Only an idiot would crush these cars
> >> instead of at least offering them to low income, students, etc. This is a
> >> prime example of how the present administration has no grasp of economic
> >> reality and really doesn't care about helping low income people.
> >> 
> >> Ken
> >> 
> >> --- On Mon, 1/24/11, JJD1010 at aol.com <JJD1010 at aol.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> From: JJD1010 at aol.com <JJD1010 at aol.com>
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math
> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 7:19 PM
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Mostly false according to Snopes. Bad math and bad logic.
> >> 
> >> Jeff
> >> 6559
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ____________________________________
> >> From: mbefthomas at comcast.net
> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Sent: 1/24/2011 8:33:46 P.M. Central Standard Time
> >> Subj: [DeTomaso] NPC: Clunker Math
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Clunker math
> >> 
> >> The person who calculated this bit of information is now & has been a
> >> professor at The University of West Virginia in Morgantown, West Virginia
> >> for the last forty some years. I never looked at the clunker program in
> >> such depth.
> >> 
> >> Clunker Math - Think of it this way:
> >> 
> >> a.. A clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year at 15 mpg uses 800
> >> gallons of gas a year.
> >> a.. A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480
> >> gallons a year.
> >> a.. So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce US
> >> gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.
> >> a.. They claim 700,000 vehicles were turned in so that's 224 million
> >> gallons saved per year.
> >> a.. That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
> >> a.. 5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption.
> >> a.. More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs
> >> about $350 million dollars.
> >> So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350
> >> million.
> >> 
> >> We spent $8.57 for every dollar we saved. On top of that used car prices
> >> went up 18%. 
> >> 
> >> I'm pretty sure they will do a great job with our health care, though.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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