[DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math

Tue Jan 25 13:47:12 EST 2011

Hey, I like Green Day! Are you calling me a rebellious BS kid? I will take
it as a compliment.  :-)

Robert

On 1/25/11 10:23 AM, "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris I agree with you in every way, but consider the show biz aspect, Green
> Day appeals to rebellious BS kids, they know their market.  I also know that
> the drums may or may not have been what they were labelled and even if they
> were, it was built into the cost of the show as an expendable prop, just as
> if the dollars were being used for fireworks, flames, smoke, etc.  Monster
> Truck shows do the same thing when they buy used cars to crush, or like I
> have done, bought TV to smash, tables to break and dishes to throw or even
> chased a guy down and bought his car out from under him so I could jump it
> over a fence and ruin it, it was perfectly decent car before I ruined it, so
> was the motorboat I sank once, motorcycle I laid down or the house we burned
> to the ground for a movie.
> 
> It's show biz and nothing makes sense as long as the final numbers are Black
> instead of Red.
> 
> Michael Shortt
> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Christopher Kimball
> <chrisvkimball at msn.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I tend to avoid voicing my political opinion too much on the forum (I don't
>> want to offend any of the people who have given and continue to give me help
>> with my Pantera), but I will say this:  Last year I went to a car show, and
>> one of the "contests" they did was to have people guess how long a car would
>> last with all the fluids drained and a brick on the accelerator.  The car
>> they used was something like a mid-80's Cordoba; not a car I care about, but
>> just as nice (or nicer) than my first car.  I watched with morbid
>> fascination as this perfectly good car was ruined right before my eyes.  The
>> rationale behind it was that this car was one of the cash for clunkers
>> trade-ins and had to be ruined anyway.  I thought of my son who, after
>> working hard toward the goal, recently finished paying off his first car,
>> yet the car in the "contest" one was simply wasted.
>> 
>> Watching the car go up in smoke, I felt the same way I did when I saw a
>> video of the band Green Day smashing and burning their instruments at the
>> end of a concert--sick to my stomach.  I was a young drummer once, and saved
>> every cent I could to buy good-quality equipment, and now I see that idiot
>> Green Day drummer destroying perfectly good drums and cymbals.
>> 
>> That kind of indescriminant waste of resources is criminal, whether
>> sanctioned by the Government or a rich, spoiled celebrity.
>> 
>> That's my opinion, of course.  And in the interest of full disclosure, I do
>> admit to putting a firecracker in a Johnny Lightning when I was a kid and
>> blowing it up just for kicks.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:14:58 -0800
>>> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; JJD1010 at aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math
>>> 
>>> After seeing some seriously flawed answers on snopes, I did some
>> research.  It is run by bleeding heart liberals who support Obama, and
>> snopes is supported by George Soros.  It is great at giving the part of the
>> truth that supports liberal positions.
>>> 
>>> But what makes me really angry is that other than the UAW, they only
>> people who benefited from this idiotic waste of taxes were people who could
>> afford new cars, and the cars I saw sitting waiting to be crushed were a lot
>> better than many cars our kids are driving.  Only an idiot would crush these
>> cars instead of at least offering them to low income, students, etc.  This
>> is a prime example of how the present administration has no grasp of
>> economic reality and really doesn't care about helping low income people.
>>> 
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>> --- On Mon, 1/24/11, JJD1010 at aol.com <JJD1010 at aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: JJD1010 at aol.com <JJD1010 at aol.com>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 7:19 PM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mostly false according to Snopes. Bad math and bad logic.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 6559
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ____________________________________
>>> From: mbefthomas at comcast.net
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Sent: 1/24/2011  8:33:46 P.M. Central Standard Time
>>> Subj: [DeTomaso] NPC: Clunker  Math
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Clunker math
>>> 
>>> The person  who calculated this bit of information is now & has been a
>>> professor at  The University of West Virginia in Morgantown, West
>> Virginia
>>> for the last  forty some years.  I never looked at the clunker program in
>>> such  depth.
>>> 
>>> Clunker Math - Think of it  this way:
>>> 
>>> a.. A clunker that travels 12,000 miles  a year at 15 mpg uses 800
>>> gallons of gas a year.
>>> a.. A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480
>>> gallons a  year.
>>> a.. So, the average Cash for Clunkers  transaction will reduce US
>>> gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per  year.
>>> a.. They claim 700,000 vehicles were turned in  so that's 224 million
>>> gallons saved per year.
>>> a..  That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
>>> a.. 5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption.
>>> a.. More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel  costs
>>> about $350 million dollars.
>>> So, the government paid  $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350
>>> million.
>>> 
>>> We spent $8.57 for every dollar we saved. On top of that  used car prices
>>> went up 18%.
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure they  will do a great job with our health care,  though.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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