[DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math

Tue Jan 25 13:37:30 EST 2011

Sadly, I know you're right.  I think I mentioned once before on the forum; the demolition derby I saw as a kid where famous race drivers used brand new Lincolns, Cadillacs and Rolls Royces.  The tickets to the event were expensive, and I think it was all for charity, but I really struggle with "the end justifies the means" mentality.

Sincerely,

Chris

From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:23:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math
To: chrisvkimball at msn.com
CC: kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com; jjd1010 at aol.com

Chris I agree with you in every way, but consider the show biz aspect, Green Day appeals to rebellious BS kids, they know their market.  I also know that the drums may or may not have been what they were labelled and even if they were, it was built into the cost of the show as an expendable prop, just as if the dollars were being used for fireworks, flames, smoke, etc.  Monster Truck shows do the same thing when they buy used cars to crush, or like I have done, bought TV to smash, tables to break and dishes to throw or even chased a guy down and bought his car out from under him so I could jump it over a fence and ruin it, it was perfectly decent car before I ruined it, so was the motorboat I sank once, motorcycle I laid down or the house we burned to the ground for a movie.

It's show biz and nothing makes sense as long as the final numbers are Black instead of Red.

Michael Shortt

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:

I tend to avoid voicing my political opinion too much on the forum (I don't want to offend any of the people who have given and continue to give me help with my Pantera), but I will say this:  Last year I went to a car show, and one of the "contests" they did was to have people guess how long a car would last with all the fluids drained and a brick on the accelerator.  The car they used was something like a mid-80's Cordoba; not a car I care about, but just as nice (or nicer) than my first car.  I watched with morbid fascination as this perfectly good car was ruined right before my eyes.  The rationale behind it was that this car was one of the cash for clunkers trade-ins and had to be ruined anyway.  I thought of my son who, after working hard toward the goal, recently finished paying off his first car, yet the car in the "contest" one was simply wasted.

Watching the car go up in smoke, I felt the same way I did when I saw a video of the band Green Day smashing and burning their instruments at the end of a concert--sick to my stomach.  I was a young drummer once, and saved every cent I could to buy good-quality equipment, and now I see that idiot Green Day drummer destroying perfectly good drums and cymbals.

That kind of indescriminant waste of resources is criminal, whether sanctioned by the Government or a rich, spoiled celebrity.

That's my opinion, of course.  And in the interest of full disclosure, I do admit to putting a firecracker in a Johnny Lightning when I was a kid and blowing it up just for kicks.

Sincerely,

Chris

> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:14:58 -0800
> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
> To: detomaso at realbig.com; JJD1010 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math

>
> After seeing some seriously flawed answers on snopes, I did some research.  It is run by bleeding heart liberals who support Obama, and snopes is supported by George Soros.  It is great at giving the part of the truth that supports liberal positions.
>
> But what makes me really angry is that other than the UAW, they only people who benefited from this idiotic waste of taxes were people who could afford new cars, and the cars I saw sitting waiting to be crushed were a lot better than many cars our kids are driving.  Only an idiot would crush these cars instead of at least offering them to low income, students, etc.  This is a prime example of how the present administration has no grasp of economic reality and really doesn't care about helping low income people.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Mon, 1/24/11, JJD1010 at aol.com <JJD1010 at aol.com> wrote:
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> From: JJD1010 at aol.com <JJD1010 at aol.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: NPC: Clunker Math
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 7:19 PM
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>
> Mostly false according to Snopes. Bad math and bad logic.
>
> Jeff
> 6559
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> ____________________________________
> From: mbefthomas at comcast.net
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: 1/24/2011  8:33:46 P.M. Central Standard Time
> Subj: [DeTomaso] NPC: Clunker  Math
>
>
> Clunker math
>
> The person  who calculated this bit of information is now & has been a
> professor at  The University of West Virginia in Morgantown, West Virginia
> for the last  forty some years.  I never looked at the clunker program in
> such  depth.
>
> Clunker Math - Think of it  this way:
>
> a.. A clunker that travels 12,000 miles  a year at 15 mpg uses 800
> gallons of gas a year.
> a.. A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480
> gallons a  year.
> a.. So, the average Cash for Clunkers  transaction will reduce US
> gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per  year.
> a.. They claim 700,000 vehicles were turned in  so that's 224 million
> gallons saved per year.
> a..  That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
> a.. 5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption.
> a.. More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel  costs
> about $350 million dollars.
> So, the government paid  $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350
> million.
>
> We spent $8.57 for every dollar we saved. On top of that  used car prices
> went up 18%.
>
> I'm pretty sure they  will do a great job with our health care,  though.
>
>
>
>
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