[DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson '32 Ford - $310K

Bill Lewis lotus0005 at hotmail.com
Sat Jan 22 23:12:40 EST 2011 

Segue.....I think I'm going to go into the "Make $310K on a knockout '32 Ford on BJ" business!                                                                                                                                        Man, did you just see that on TV!!!





> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:57:52 -0500
> From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
> To: timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
> 
> Kudos to Scott, well said.
> 
> Michael Shortt
> On Jan 22, 2011 10:51 PM, "scott black" <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > BS.. Every major company in the world has PR people either internally or
> externally, or both.  Just like they have lawyers.  And accountants.  A good
> PR firm does not spin, it connects with customers.  That is naive
> thinking.
> >
> > And yes, we are very up front about our clients. I have never spoken out
> about BJA on this forum until people started saying things that were just
> untrue.  I have listened to the complaints and concerns, the praises and the
> pot shots.  Always kept my mouth shut. But when people make BS statements
> like "everybody knows" and reference blogs that have no basis in truth, I
> had to speak up.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing
> >
> > Marketing Acceleration
> >
> > www.tprm-usa.com
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/22/11, Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm at qwest.net>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
> > To: "scott black" <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>, willnr at gmail.com,
> bflesland at gmail.com, "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 4:08 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott, with all due respect, your credibility ended with the
> > statement: "Yes, we are their PR firm". PR firms are, by definition, spin
> > doctors and BS spreaders. Entities with obvious moral and ethical
> scruples,
> > don't need someone to run interference for them. At least, you're up front
> 
> > concerning your relationship with B-J.
> >
> > Doug Kelm
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > scott
> > black
> > To: dakelm at qwest.net ; willnr at gmail.com ;
> > bflesland at gmail.com ; Julian
> > Kift
> > Cc: De Tomaso List
> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:02
> > AM
> > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson
> > GTS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.  That is a slanderous statement
> > 2.  That
> > is BS
> > 3.  Where in the world do you get such crap?  Not a
> > CREDIBLE source
> > 4.  Yes, we are their PR firm
> >
> > Its really
> > amazing.  You guys complain for years that Pantera's don't fetch
> > enough at BJAC and that no one should sell them there.  Then when a
> > couple of cars do, you don't that they really sold for those
> > prices.  And you throw in BS about shills.  What exactly do
> > all of you want?  Really....think about it.
> >
> > Scott Black
> >
> > TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing
> > Marketing
> > Acceleration
> > www.tprm-usa.com
> >
> > --- On
> > Fri, 1/21/11, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From:
> > Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso]
> > Barrett Jackson GTS
> > To: dakelm at qwest.net, timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com,
> > willnr at gmail.com, bflesland at gmail.com
> > Cc: "De Tomaso List"
> > <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:49
> > PM
> >
> >
> >
> > #yiv377424907 #yiv377424907yiv1669397703
> .yiv377424907yiv1669397703hmmessage P {
> >
> PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;}
> > #yiv377424907 #yiv377424907yiv1669397703
> .yiv377424907yiv1669397703hmmessage {
> > FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}
> >
> > It is fairly common knowledge that BJ owns many of the cars
> > under auction, they bid them up and the cars return to BJ's
> > warehouse, thus driving up prices on similar such cars. Do some
> > research and there is article after article on BJ's questionable
> > practices, like they say "there's no smoke without
> > fire".
> >
> >> From: dakelm at qwest.net
> >> To:
> > timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com; willnr at gmail.com; bflesland at gmail.com
> >>
> > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:12:35 -0600
> >> CC:
> > DeTomaso at realbig.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson
> > GTS
> >>
> >> What makes you think there is no shill bidding at
> > B-J, or any other auction,
> >> for that matter. All the shill has
> > to do to avoid paying the commission(s)
> >> is to get out before
> > the bidding stops. Worst case, your shill ends up
> >> owning the
> > (your) car and you're out both ends of the commission,
> > assuming
> >> there is both a buyers and sellers commission. If the
> > bidding goes high
> >> enough (beyond your evaluation of your car),
> > you take it on down the road to
> >> the next auction, or sell it
> > privately, using the shill bid as a
> >> justification for the
> > inflated asking price.
> >>
> >> Doug Kelm
> >>
> >>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "scott black"
> > <timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "Will Radcliffe"
> > <willnr at gmail.com>; "Bjoern Flesland"
> >>
> > <bflesland at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: "DeTomaso Archives"
> > <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011
> > 8:49 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Barrett Jackson GTS
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> > There is no shill bidding at Barrett-Jackson.
> > Yes, it was a real sale at
> >> the all No Reserve auction.
> >>
> > >
> >> > Scott Black
> >> > TimePiece Public Relations
> > & Marketing
> >> > Marketing Acceleration
> >> >
> > www.tprm-usa.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On Fri,
> > 1/21/11, Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> > >
> >> > > From: Bjoern Flesland
> > <bflesland at gmail.com>
> >> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
> > Barrett Jackson GTS
> >> > > To: "Will Radcliffe"
> > <willnr at gmail.com>
> >> > > Cc: "DeTomaso Archives"
> > <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
> >> > > Date: Friday, January
> > 21, 2011, 4:14 PM
> >> > > Interesting. Do you think
> > this
> >> > > selling price is for real?
> >> > >
> > There are lots of shill bidding and other strange things
> >> >
> > > going on at these auctions!
> >> > > Cheers
> > Bjoern
> >> > >
> >> > > Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Den 21. jan. 2011 kl.
> > 22:26 skrev Will Radcliffe <willnr at gmail.com>:
> >> >
> > >
> >> > > > Here are the details for those who missed
> > it:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >>
> >
> http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=952&aid=403&pop=1
> >>
> > > > >
> >> > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM,
> > Brian Hill <mazdastuff at yahoo.com>
> >> > >
> > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Well, think
> > we had our first surprise of the
> >> > > day. 74 GTS Pantera
> > just
> >> > > >> crossed
> >> > > >> the
> > block at B-J for $90,000. What
> >> > > recession.
> >>
> > > > >> Good grief.
> >> > > >>
> >> >
> > > >> Brian
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >>
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