[DeTomaso] GTS Questions

Wed Jan 12 08:13:45 EST 2011

The GTS on Ebay here  http://tinyurl.com/5v2bgfg

-----Original Message-----
>From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2011 12:51 AM
>To: lashdeep at yahoo.com, mikeldrew at aol.com, De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GTS Questions
>
>
>How much of a project are you looking for?
> 
>There's a '71 (#1998) posted on the PI Forum for $13K, not a GTS but no reason you cannot make it one as you rebuild it!
> 
>Also a Euro GTS listed by user DeTom on the PI forum, that car is also currently on Ebay.
> 
>You are a few days late for a '74 with a GT5 kit that sold on Ebay for $10,600...
> 
>Julian
> 
>> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:36:04 -0800
>> From: lashdeep at yahoo.com
>> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GTS Questions
>> 
>> That was easy...thank you for the detailed info Mike and Chuck!
>> 
>> My De Tomaso search continues...any GTS or widebody GT5 "projects" out there 
>> that need some TLC?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> LS
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: lashdeep at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 12:30:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GTS Questions
>> 
>> 
>> In a message dated 1/11/11 20 19 13, lashdeep at yahoo.com writes:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A few dumb questions if you guys don't mind...
>> >
>> >1. Why do some GTS models have the riveted fiberglass flares while others do
>> >not? Where most of these removed for restoration? Or just not equipped from the
>> >factory with them?
>> >
>> >>>All 150 US-market GTS Panteras came with the riveted flares. Most, but not all 
>> >>>Euro GTS Panteras came with them too; some were built without them. And of all 
>> >>>those cars, some owners subsequently chose to remove them.
>> 
>> 
>> >>2, Do these factory GTS models with the riveted flares truly allow for a wider
>> >rear wheel when compared to a standard early narrow bodied car? Or are they 
>> just
>> >tacked onto the stock fenders thus limited by the same fender clearance as a
>> >standard, non GTS car?
>> >
>> >>>They're just tacked on to the stock fenders. They really have no function 
>> >>>whatsoever. European GTS Panteras were available with optional 8-inch front 
>> >>>and 10-inch wide rear wheels (as opposed to the standard 7/8 inch setup), but 
>> >>>those wheels and tires fit just fine under a stock-bodied Pantera too.
>> 
>> 
>> >>3. How many GTS cars were produced worldwide? I've heard 98 or 138 for US spec
>> >GTS cars..what about the rest? How rare are the Euro GTS models here?
>> >
>> >>>The actual number of US-spec GTS Panteras was 150. There is some confusion 
>> >>>about that number, because 98 cars were built for the 49 states, and so the 98 
>> >>>figure is often erroneously quoted as being the final total. 52 were built for 
>> >>>California. Many years ago, Bill Milburn (who was part of the old De Tomaso 
>> >>>registry) gave me a listing of confirmed GTS serial numbers that he had 
>> >>>painstakingly accumulated, much of it in the pre-internet age; he had well over 
>> >>>100 confirmed cars which blows the 98 number away. 
>> >>>
>> 
>> US-market GTS Panteras have their own discrete Body Service Numbers, which ran 
>> sequentially. Standard Panteras had a BSN starting with "5" while US GTS 
>> Panteras started with "3" (and European cars built in that timeframe started 
>> with "4". The lowest BSN in the registry at the moment is 30005, and the 
>> highest is 30150. That fairly conclusively establishes the number of cars at 
>> 150.
>> 
>> Nobody really knows how many European GTS Panteras were built. The De Tomaso 
>> family retained all the records, and it would be fascinating to go through them 
>> and tally it up. Without a doubt the number is substantially higher than 150, 
>> especially in light of the fact that GTS Panteras were built through 1989. 
>> Also, one can split hairs and consider a GT5 or a GT5-S to be a GTS also (I 
>> personally consider them to be seperate animals).
>> 
>> I'd say there were several hundred narrowbody Euro-market GTS Panteras 
>> produced. They probably outnumbered the total of European pushbutton, Pre-L 
>> and L-model Panteras, based on what I've seen on the roads there now.
>> 
>> A sizeable percentage of the Panteras on the road in Europe these days consists 
>> of repatriated American-market cars, particularly in light of the strong 
>> European currencies against the dollar in the past few years. It has been MUCH 
>> cheaper to buy a Pantera in the USA and bring it home, vice buying a European 
>> car. And European cars, by and large, tend to be towards the rough end of the 
>> scale when they come up for sale.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
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