[DeTomaso] Red Line Water Wetter = Good stuff!

[John Taphorn]

Mike

Based on my experience, I wouldn't be so quick to judgment on Water Wetter 
cooling abilities.  I ran it in my cars, including my Formula car in race 
conditions with no discernable temp difference.  We primarily used it to 
lubricate the water pump.

Revving the Pantera in the garage to get up to temp is hardly commensurate 
to the load on an engine being driven aggressively on the street.  Take the 
car for a spirited drive first to acquire a true heat soak of the engine 
area.

I have seen car cooling systems able to cycle in the garage; yet not after a 
true heat soak.

I'll also add that a cooling system that can recover under low humidity and 
moderate temps in winter months is hardly extraordinary nor indicative of 
heavier load capacity with ambient temps 30% higher.

Please rerun the test after a spirited drive by pulling into your garage and 
seeing if the fans will then cycle.  Maybe they will - although , perhaps 
not.

JT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: <mikeldrew at aol.com>; "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Red Line Water Wetter = Good stuff!


>
> An added advantage for anyone that tracks their car is that it can be used 
> without antifreze as it is a corrsoion inhibitor as well. It doesn't 
> 'slick' the pavement if you get an on track leak..... so you can be 
> popular with your racing buddies.
>
> Julian
>
>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:52:29 -0500
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Red Line Water Wetter = Good stuff!
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> During a recent visit to the Red Line Oil factory, on impulse I bought a
>> bottle of Red Line Water Wetter.
>>
>> http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10
>>
>> I've used this stuff, on and off, for years, but hadn't put any into my
>> Pantera before. Today I took a break from working on Profiles, and I 
>> siphoned
>> out an appropriate amount of coolant from the pressure tank and then 
>> dumped
>> a whole bottle of Water Wetter in. It's good for 3-5 gallons, and the
>> Pantera's system is 6 3/8 gallons so arguably I could have used two 
>> bottles,
>> but one is what I had so one is what I used.
>>
>> After topping off the cooling system, I fired it up and let it idle. I
>> could see the water temp rise until the thermostat opened, then it 
>> dropped
>> suddenly as the engine got a shot of cool water from the radiator. It
>> eventually settled down right at 190 degrees on the gauge, verified by a 
>> laser heat
>> gun on my radiator which showed 185. (I've got a 180 degree thermostat).
>>
>> One fan came on, then it just sat there. After 15 minutes, I decided to
>> force the issue, and revved it up to 3000 rpm for about five minutes. The
>> temp climbed up to about 210 and the second fan was on. I then let it
>> settle back to its 850 rpm idle, and after a fairly short time, the temp 
>> dropped
>> back to 190 and the second fan turned off.
>>
>> Nirvana!
>>
>> My cooling system is as old-school as it gets. I have a standard Hall
>> Pantera stock replacement radiator (brass) in the normal stand-up
>> configuration, and Hall Pantera Meriah pusher fans, and a Brand X 
>> aluminum water pump
>> from Pantera Performance Center. Oh, and I use a RobertShaw (Flowkooler)
>> 180-degree thermostat instead of a cheap auto parts store thermostat.
>>
>> It just goes to show that one doesn't have to go to great extremes to get 
>> a
>> Pantera to run at the proper temperature. Having said that, it appears
>> that the addition of water wetter may have knocked 5-10 degrees off my 
>> temps,
>> because normally my car idles with both fans running once it's warmed up,
>> and indicates just over 190 degrees. At about eight bucks a bottle, 
>> that's
>> one of the better improvements you can make from a cost-effectiveness
>> basis....
>>
>> Mike
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