[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 79, Issue 1
Gary.Williamson at hartmann.info
Gary.Williamson at hartmann.info
Tue Feb 1 23:49:13 EST 2011
Hi All,
I'm in the process of refitting the air con to my Pantera. Its 40 degrees
C in Sydney today so its becoming an important upgrade if I actually want
to drive my car.. When I bought my car the air con had been removed
(apparently its a lot cooler in Michigan!) but the previous owner was kind
enough to provide all the bits and the evaporator is still under the dash.
What are the must do's to make sure this system works? From my research
I see a Sanden 508 compressor and adaptor plate is a must but can I live
with the condensor and evaporator as standard? I've also read that a
stronger fan would help but not too sure if this is a must do.
With the current strong Aussie dollar I plan to purchase an R134 hose kit
from one of the US based suppliers as I figure these will be more
convenient to fit myself - does anyone have any particular preference or
is the quality of hoses the same across the market?
This is my first post - I certainly enjoy reading the mails that come in
each morning when I get to the office and have learned quite a bit
already. Thanks for the wealth of info. cheers Gary
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4. Re: Auction results (tmshinro at aol.com)
5. Re: Auction results (doug351c)
6. Re: Auction results (Sean Korb)
7. Re: Auction results (Thomas Tornblom)
8. Happy Birthday (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
9. Happy Birthday (Garth Rodericks)
10. Looking for car cover - on ebay! (Garth Rodericks)
11. Re: Happy Birthday (Curt Hall)
12. Re: Looking for car cover - on ebay! (Peter Kovacs)
13. Re: Auction results (Daniel C Jones)
14. Re: Looking for car cover - on ebay! (Erik Anderson)
15. Re: Looking for car cover - on ebay! (Julian Kift)
16. Re: DB Starters (Mike Murray)
17. DB Starters (B. Seib)
18. Re: Auction results (Will Kooiman)
19. DB Starters (John Buckman)
20. DB Starters (B. Seib)
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22. Re: Auction results (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
23. Re: Auction results (doug351c)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:09:30 +0000 (UTC)
From: rfmccall at comcast.net
Subject: [DeTomaso] Auction results
To: detomaso <detomaso at list.realbig.com>
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I watched the coverage last night. I could have sworn that kit sold for
$45,000.
Not $40,000.
Ron
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:11:48 -0500
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Auction results
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That's definitely a 351C, with an Edelbrock Torker manifold....
-------------------
Mike, are you referring to the auction car, red in color, with the Ford
blue engine block and heads?
If that is a Cleveland - link to the photo here:
http://tinyurl.com/auction-Torker
Then where is the oil sender boss at the rear of the block?
The intake is for a Windsor.
Edelbrock Torker photos here:
http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=28719
Larry - not an engine geek, but I know when something doesn't jive
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:05:30 -0500
From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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It's simpler thatn all that, simply count the valve cover bolts, a
Cleveland
had 8, a Windsor has 6,
Michael Shortt
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
wrote:
>
>
> That's definitely a 351C, with an Edelbrock Torker manifold....
> -------------------
>
> Mike, are you referring to the auction car, red in color, with the Ford
> blue engine block and heads?
>
>
> If that is a Cleveland - link to the photo here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/auction-Torker
>
> Then where is the oil sender boss at the rear of the block?
>
> The intake is for a Windsor.
>
> Edelbrock Torker photos here:
>
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=28719
>
> Larry - not an engine geek, but I know when something doesn't jive
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:08:08 -0500 (EST)
From: tmshinro at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
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Just checked again on the mecum site. Lot U74, '73 Pantera shows as
selling for $40K. This does not include the buyer commission.
Tom
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Sent: Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:09 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] Auction results
I watched the coverage last night. I could have sworn that kit sold for
$45,000.
Not $40,000.
Ron
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:34:35 -0800
From: "doug351c" <doug351c at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
To: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Actually I think you're both part right.
Those are definitely 351C style heads but without the rear oil sender it
has
to be either a 351W or an SVO block which is a Windsor-Cleveland hybrid
that
uses a 351C crank but with a 351W oiling system, oil pan and front
aluminum
cover. This engine appears to have the 0.3" shorter deck height of a 351C
so I'm betting it's an SVO block that's been decked to the 351C height and
thus is using a 351C type intake. That's why the intake's covering of the
block's rear valley rail doesn't quite match up (see how it hangs over the
rail?). This is because the SVO uses the rail of the 351W which is a
reverse "S" of the 351C. This means they had to add (heliarc) material to
the front and rear of the intake to get it to seal.
Doug Braun
blue 73L 35505
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:12 AM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Auction results
That's definitely a 351C, with an Edelbrock Torker manifold....
-------------------
Mike, are you referring to the auction car, red in color, with the Ford
blue
engine block and heads?
If that is a Cleveland - link to the photo here:
http://tinyurl.com/auction-Torker
Then where is the oil sender boss at the rear of the block?
The intake is for a Windsor.
Edelbrock Torker photos here:
http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=28719
Larry - not an engine geek, but I know when something doesn't jive
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:43:15 -0500
From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
To: doug351c at gmail.com
Cc: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
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The oil sender might be deleted at the back deck with a plug in its
place. There is a oil port near the front of the block that could be
used for another sender.
sean
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM, doug351c <doug351c at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually I think you're both part right.
>
> Those are definitely 351C style heads but without the rear oil sender it
has
> to be either a 351W or an SVO block which is a Windsor-Cleveland hybrid
that
> uses a 351C crank but with a 351W oiling system, oil pan and front
aluminum
> cover. ?This engine appears to have the 0.3" shorter deck height of a
351C
> so I'm betting it's an SVO block that's been decked to the 351C height
and
> thus is using a 351C type intake. ?That's why the intake's covering of
the
> block's rear valley rail doesn't quite match up (see how it hangs over
the
> rail?). ?This is because the SVO uses the rail of the 351W which is a
> reverse "S" of the 351C. ?This means they had to add (heliarc) material
to
> the front and rear of the intake to get it to seal.
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L 35505
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Larry Finch
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:12 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Auction results
>
> That's definitely a 351C, with an Edelbrock Torker manifold....
> -------------------
>
> Mike, are you referring to the auction car, red in color, with the Ford
blue
> engine block and heads?
>
> ?If that is a Cleveland - link to the photo here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/auction-Torker
>
> Then where is the oil sender boss at the rear of the block?
>
> The intake is for a Windsor.
>
> Edelbrock Torker photos here:
>
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=28719
>
> Larry - not an engine geek, but I know when something doesn't jive
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:48:41 +0100
From: Thomas Tornblom <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
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My vote goes to a windsor style block with cleveland heads.
The rear of the block doesn't look right for a cleveland block, even if
you ignore the intake.
Here are some photos of a 351W block for comparison:
http://tinyurl.com/6g8lshg
Thomas
2011-01-31 16:43, Sean Korb skrev:
> The oil sender might be deleted at the back deck with a plug in its
> place. There is a oil port near the front of the block that could be
> used for another sender.
>
> sean
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM, doug351c<doug351c at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually I think you're both part right.
>>
>> Those are definitely 351C style heads but without the rear oil sender
it has
>> to be either a 351W or an SVO block which is a Windsor-Cleveland hybrid
that
>> uses a 351C crank but with a 351W oiling system, oil pan and front
aluminum
>> cover. This engine appears to have the 0.3" shorter deck height of a
351C
>> so I'm betting it's an SVO block that's been decked to the 351C height
and
>> thus is using a 351C type intake. That's why the intake's covering of
the
>> block's rear valley rail doesn't quite match up (see how it hangs over
the
>> rail?). This is because the SVO uses the rail of the 351W which is a
>> reverse "S" of the 351C. This means they had to add (heliarc) material
to
>> the front and rear of the intake to get it to seal.
>>
>> Doug Braun
>> blue 73L 35505
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Larry Finch
>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:12 AM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Auction results
>>
>> That's definitely a 351C, with an Edelbrock Torker manifold....
>> -------------------
>>
>> Mike, are you referring to the auction car, red in color, with the Ford
blue
>> engine block and heads?
>>
>> If that is a Cleveland - link to the photo here:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/auction-Torker
>>
>> Then where is the oil sender boss at the rear of the block?
>>
>> The intake is for a Windsor.
>>
>> Edelbrock Torker photos here:
>>
>> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=28719
>>
>> Larry - not an engine geek, but I know when something doesn't jive
>>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:29:23 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Happy Birthday
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
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On January 29, 1886, Karl Benz filed a Patent No. 37435 at the Reich
Patent
Office in Berlin - it is generally regarded as the birth certificate of
the
automobile and became the first of over 80,000 patents to the Mercedes
Benz
marquee. Benz' Patent Motor Car was equipped with a horizontal
single-cylinder four-stroke engine, which developed an output of 0.55 kW
at
400 rpm from a displacement of 954 cubic centimeters. The vehicle's top
speed was 16 km/h. Happy birthday to the automobile and congratulations to
the company which today remains at the forefront of personal
transportation.
Larry - Cleveland
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:52:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Happy Birthday
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And a replica of that first car was brought out to Cars & Coffee this
weekend to
celebrate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ4YaitSCio
"On January 29, 1886, Karl Benz filed a Patent No. 37435 at the Reich
PatentOffice in Berlin - it is generally regarded as the birth certificate
of
the
automobile and became the first of over 80,000 patents to the Mercedes
Benzmarquee. Benz' Patent Motor Car was equipped with a horizontal
single-cylinder four-stroke engine, which developed an output of 0.55 kW
at400
rpm from a displacement of 954 cubic centimeters. The vehicle's top
speed was 16 km/h. Happy birthday to the automobile and congratulations to
the
company which today remains at the forefront of personal transportation."
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:06:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for car cover - on ebay!
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at realbig.com>
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No doubt the California Car Covers are top shelf, but if you don't want to
spend
that much money, Pontiac Fiero car covers are purported to be an exact fit
for
narrow body non-winged cars. I believe Jack DeRyke uses one.
Cheers!
Garth
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:23:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Happy Birthday
To: detomaso at realbig.com, larry at ohiotimecorp.com
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>"On January 29, 1886, Karl Benz filed a Patent No. 37435 at the Reich
>PatentOffice in Berlin - it is generally regarded as the birth
certificate of
>the automobile
?
At least the Automobile has a real birth certificate! lol?
--- On Mon, 1/31/11, Larry - Ohio Time Corp <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
wrote:
From: Larry - Ohio Time Corp <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Happy Birthday
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 8:29 AM
On January 29, 1886, Karl Benz filed a Patent No. 37435 at the Reich
Patent
Office in Berlin - it is generally regarded as the birth certificate of
the
automobile and became the first of over 80,000 patents to the Mercedes
Benz
marquee. Benz' Patent Motor Car was equipped with a horizontal
single-cylinder four-stroke engine, which developed an output of 0.55 kW
at
400 rpm from a displacement of 954 cubic centimeters. The vehicle's top
speed was 16 km/h. Happy birthday to the automobile and congratulations to
the company which today remains at the forefront of personal
transportation.
Larry - Cleveland
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:53:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Looking for car cover - on ebay!
To: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>, DeTomaso
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I heard Ford Pinto fit too. Can anyone confirm that?
?
Peter Kovacs
209 345-6708
209?436-2000 fx
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Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 9:06:43 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for car cover - on ebay!
No doubt the California Car Covers are top shelf, but if you don't want to
spend
that much money, Pontiac Fiero car covers are purported to be an exact fit
for
narrow body non-winged cars. I believe Jack DeRyke uses one.
Cheers!
Garth
? ? ?
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:42:05 -0600
From: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
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It appears to be a Windsor block (bulges out at the rear) with a
pair of Cleveland heads. The intake is interesting. It appears
to be a 351C Torker but has an end seal shaped like a Windsor, not
a Cleveland. However, it overhangs the end seal. I wonder if an
extension was welded on? Another possibility is it's an A331 high
port version of the Torker but that would require the cylinder head
intake ports to be stuffed to seal properly. Most of the Motorsport
intakes were set up to go on either Windsor or Cleveland type blocks
but I've never seen a Windsor version of the Edelbrock A331 Torker
look-a-like.
Dan Jones
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:57:33 -0700
From: "Erik Anderson" <eanderson at geotracinternational.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Looking for car cover - on ebay!
To: "Bjoern Flesland" <bflesland at gmail.com>, "panteralist"
<DeTomaso at realbig.com>
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I bought a Pantera-specific car cover (canvass top with felt lining)
from Larry Stock and it is awesome! It fits my '72 Pre-L perfectly.
Highly recommended!
Ciao,
EA
#3528
-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On Behalf Of Bjoern Flesland
Sent: January-28-11 6:24 PM
To: panteralist
Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for car cover - on ebay!
Does anyone have experience with the various car protection covers
listed on
eBay?
Many of the listings are quite cheap in my opinion, from $20.00 and
up...
Are they maybe of bad quality and useless?
Appreciate info if I should avoid any of them especially.
Any links to other good car covers?
Cheers Bjoern
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:04:43 -0800
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Looking for car cover - on ebay!
To: <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>, De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
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Aren't we talking about quality and not fit issues? Depending on the
choice of fabric a Fiero cover is $20-30 cheaper than a Pantera cover at
California Car Covers, why take a chance for that small saving? Put it
into perspective.... a top of the line Cal Car cover is around $300, a
mere 1% or less of the value of your Pantera and likely less than your
local paint shop guy is going to put paint in his gun for touch up.
Of course on the flipside a roll of polyethylene dust sheet is only $15 at
your local Lowes or Home Depot.......
Julian
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:06:43 -0800
> From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for car cover - on ebay!
>
> No doubt the California Car Covers are top shelf, but if you don't want
to spend
> that much money, Pontiac Fiero car covers are purported to be an exact
fit for
> narrow body non-winged cars. I believe Jack DeRyke uses one.
>
>
> Cheers!
> Garth
>
>
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:05:32 -0500
From: "Mike Murray" <mjm at knology.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DB Starters
To: "REALBIG" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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I want to throw a shout out to SO Bill. I put the cat on the rack this
weekend to install my new high torque starter from DB Electrical. I took
Bill's E-mail were he talked about doing the job. Less than 2hr's later
just like he said I was ready to rock and roll. The hardest part was to
fit the old starter out from between the block and the headers. After much
twisting and turning and saying bad things I took the cover off the
starter and it came out. All hooked up and what difference. Thanks to all
that have posted about this amazing up grade. Torque On. Mike
Mike Murray
American Dock & Marine Construction, Inc.
(843) 795-2999
www.americandock.net
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:41:09 -0600
From: "B. Seib" <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
Subject: [DeTomaso] DB Starters
To: "DetomasoList" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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I want to add that I just bought a nice 130 amp FORD 3G alternator
NEW Ford Mustang 3.8L Alternator 94-2000 AFD0032
from DB Electrical for $76 and I am very pleased with it.
It works much better than the same one I bought a few years ago from a
local
shop
for $260!
This model of 3G works well on a Pantera. I put a helicoil in the top hole
so I could use the original locking bolt, but you could just do an
"upgrade"
to a sloppy bolt and nut arrangement and it would still work OK. Of
course,
you also need to deal with the wiring.
The starters I got from them are also great.
Barry (the numbers match on my Pantera - eat your heart out!)
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:59:51 -0600
From: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
To: "'Daniel C Jones'" <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>,
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <AC2E673F40204FD5AE9A465D5B8507EA at LORETTA>
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Or maybe a 351W, 351C heads, and a B&A Track Boss intake.
http://351cleveland.wetpaint.com/page/B+%26+A+Track+Boss+351W
-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
Behalf Of Daniel C Jones
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:42 PM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
It appears to be a Windsor block (bulges out at the rear) with a
pair of Cleveland heads. The intake is interesting. It appears
to be a 351C Torker but has an end seal shaped like a Windsor, not
a Cleveland. However, it overhangs the end seal. I wonder if an
extension was welded on? Another possibility is it's an A331 high
port version of the Torker but that would require the cylinder head
intake ports to be stuffed to seal properly. Most of the Motorsport
intakes were set up to go on either Windsor or Cleveland type blocks
but I've never seen a Windsor version of the Edelbrock A331 Torker
look-a-like.
Dan Jones
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:07:52 -0800
From: John Buckman <jb841 at cox.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] DB Starters
To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
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Barry,
Did you change the alternator pulley, or are you using the serpentine
belt?
John
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:58:21 -0600
From: "B. Seib" <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
Subject: [DeTomaso] DB Starters
To: "DetomasoList" <detomaso at realbig.com>, <jb841 at cox.net>
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Hi John
I'm using a new single groove 2.6" pulley on the alternator. It needs the
belt nice and snug, but seems OK so far. Got about 70 amps at idle.
Regulator turns on about 5-600 engine rpm. I had a lot of trouble with the
first 3G that I got locally, so I'm really hoping this one from DB
continues
to work so well. So far, so good.
Barry
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[DeTomaso] DB Starters
John Buckman jb841 at cox.net
Mon Jan 31 22:07:52 CST 2011
Barry,
Did you change the alternator pulley, or are you using the serpentine
belt?
John
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 00:56:31 EST
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ? Auction results
To: fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 1/31/11 6 12 35, fresnofinches at aol.com writes:
> Mike, are you referring to the auction car, red in color, with the Ford
> blue engine block and heads?
>
>
> If that is a Cleveland - link to the photo here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/auction-Torker
>
> Then where is the oil sender boss at the rear of the block?
>
> The intake is for a Windsor.
>
> Edelbrock Torker photos here:
>
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=28719
>
> Larry - not an engine geek, but I know when something doesn't jive
>
>>>Fascinating--I do believe you're right!
I thought the Torker was only available for the 351C, but clearly it was
at
one time available for the 351W too--news to me!
The engine in the photo appears to have De Tomaso Cleveland valve covers,
which would imply Cleveland heads, which would imply a Cleveland. But
the
lack of the oil pressure sender is a dead giveaway that it's a Windsor
block.
Cleveland heads on a Windsor block maybe?
Or were these flat-top valve covers available for the Windsor too, at one
time? I don't ever rememer seeing these valve covers on a Windsor. But
if
so, then the logical conclusion is that this engine is 100% Windsor, as
stated.
Interesting!
Thanks Larry! :>)
Mike
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 00:57:48 EST
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
To: michaelsavga at gmail.com, fresnofinches at aol.com
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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In a message dated 1/31/11 7 06 28, michaelsavga at gmail.com writes:
> It's simpler thatn all that, simply count the valve cover bolts, a
> Cleveland
> had 8, a Windsor has 6,
>
There you go--Cleveland heads for sure in this motor. The plot thickens!
:>)
Mike
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:45:11 -0800
From: "doug351c" <doug351c at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
To: <spkorb at gmail.com>
Cc: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
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Possibly, but then there's no need for what appears to be a modified rear
edge of the intake manifold so my bet is still on it being an SVO block.
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Korb [mailto:spkorb at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:43 AM
To: doug351c at gmail.com
Cc: Larry Finch; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Auction results
The oil sender might be deleted at the back deck with a plug in its
place. There is a oil port near the front of the block that could be
used for another sender.
sean
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM, doug351c <doug351c at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually I think you're both part right.
>
> Those are definitely 351C style heads but without the rear oil sender it
has
> to be either a 351W or an SVO block which is a Windsor-Cleveland hybrid
that
> uses a 351C crank but with a 351W oiling system, oil pan and front
aluminum
> cover. ?This engine appears to have the 0.3" shorter deck height of a
351C
> so I'm betting it's an SVO block that's been decked to the 351C height
and
> thus is using a 351C type intake. ?That's why the intake's covering of
the
> block's rear valley rail doesn't quite match up (see how it hangs over
the
> rail?). ?This is because the SVO uses the rail of the 351W which is a
> reverse "S" of the 351C. ?This means they had to add (heliarc) material
to
> the front and rear of the intake to get it to seal.
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L 35505
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Larry Finch
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:12 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Auction results
>
> That's definitely a 351C, with an Edelbrock Torker manifold....
> -------------------
>
> Mike, are you referring to the auction car, red in color, with the Ford
blue
> engine block and heads?
>
> ?If that is a Cleveland - link to the photo here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/auction-Torker
>
> Then where is the oil sender boss at the rear of the block?
>
> The intake is for a Windsor.
>
> Edelbrock Torker photos here:
>
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=28719
>
> Larry - not an engine geek, but I know when something doesn't jive
>
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