[DeTomaso] made in China

Thu Dec 15 17:15:36 EST 2011

Rob,

I disagree with your conclusion. In fact I would say of all the profits made on most Chinese made products the smallest share probably goes to China. At this point in its evolution the Chinese manufacturing industry is primarily made up of low cost assembly plants that are managed more to provide maximum employment than maximum profit.

 Let's take a cheap flat screen tv. The largest profit margins go to manufactures and patent holders of the high tech components (many of which are US co.'s). Next is probably the co.'s that make the other higher end components (glass, circuit boards etc.)  That leaves Chinese profit and retail markup and I'd probably give that nod to Wal-Mart. 

As Kirby said it's a global economy whether we like it or not!

Gray

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:16 PM
To: Kirby Schrader
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] made in China

I take a slightly different spin on this. Made in China means, except for the mark-up, profits go to China.  Made in USA means corporate profits stay in USA. Though I admit some components may come from elsewhere, the primary profits stay stateside.  I'm proud to say that nothing I bought as Christmas presents this year was stamped Made in China.

Rob

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>wrote:

> For the 'older' folks among us, I'm sure we all remember the 
> statements where 'eEverything is from Japan these days!' and 'All 
> things from Japan are crap!' statements? I know I do.
> They use to rate things based on transistor quantity! A 12 transistor 
> radio was better than a 6 transistor radio!
>
> Yet, if I ask my son, he will tell you that really good stuff comes 
> from Japan. He never saw the cheap crap that came from Japan in the 
> early stages of their manufacturing development.
>
> For example, Korea has gone through the same type of manufacturing 
> development along with many other countries over the last 50 years.
>
> I am not 'sticking up for China', but consider the following:
>
>  - Not buying stuff made in China will certainly restrict your choices.
>  - Cost of goods from China is certainly lower due to the lower labor 
> costs
>  - We live in a global economy, like it or not
>  - Even 'Made in the USA may mean 'Assembled in the USA'. Some people 
> here aren't too picky about what that means.
>  - Have anything you call a computer on your desk/in your lap/in your 
> pocket? I think you will find they are all made in China or have had 
> components from all over the world which have been assembled in China 
> or Taiwan or Thailand or (insert country here). Hard disks from 
> Singapore, hard disks from Thailand.
>  - Have an Apple product? They at least tell you 'Designed in 
> California', 'Made in China'. Many of the components come from Korea 
> and Taiwan.
>  - You will start to see (if you haven't already) many things made in 
> India. Why? Labor costs. Labor costs are going up in China.
>  - Good quality goods are made in China, too. It is up to the company 
> having it made there to define the quality of the materials and the 
> quality of the assembly/build. And then... you pay more for the extra 
> quality going into it, but the labor costs are still lower than here 
> or Europe.
>  - China, Korea and Japan are all getting a very large percentage of 
> their raw material (iron ore, etc.) from Australia.
>
> I would think that you'd be hard pressed to find an item where you can 
> prove definitively that from material to final product it is 'Made in 
> the USA'.
>
> I will repeat myself... It's all about the global economy we live in, 
> like it or not.
>
> Damn.... my soap box just disappeared!
>
> OH, well....
> Later,
> Kirby
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 14:29, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> > My old Maseratis have NO parts made in China. They do not run, but I 
> > proudly stand by them (in a puddle of oil).
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:11 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> In a message dated 12/15/11 8 38 32, timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> > I once heard that almost all the cam blanks come from China.  Is 
> >> > that true?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I don't know about cams, but almost all crank castings and forgings
> begin
> >> life in China.   The quality (and price) of the finished product is
> >> normally
> >> down to whether the finish-machining is conducted there, or here.
> >>
> >> Here is better...
> >>
> >> Mike
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