[DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.

Sat Apr 30 02:48:14 EDT 2011

see the post at the bottom of this-- yes, it is exempt from INSPECTIONS, not from having the equipment there (technically)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>; panteralist <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:27 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.

But what happens if car is reg'd after 1975 and on CA historic plates?  
Still a smog test exemption?
Cheers Bjoern

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:

two reasons: smog test exemption and cost:
If you have a Pantera that has been in the state for many years it doesn't matter much, but if you buy a car for $100,000 then bring it into the state you will pay 2% or so of that EVERY YEAR for your annual normal registration-- so $2,000
The HV reg is like $50. 
Which would you rather pay?  

-----Original Message-----
From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
To: panteralist <DeTomaso at realbig.com>

Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:18 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.

What will be the main reasons to register a CA vehicle as historic?
nstead of just keeping the regular plates.
heers Bjoern

n Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:50 PM, John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   read paragraph E and then decide :)

 http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg17a.pdf

 JB

 --- On *Fri, 4/29/11, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>* wrote:

 From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.
 To: bflesland at gmail.com, DeTomaso at realbig.com

 Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 12:38 PM

 I was unsure if HV reg exempted a car from biannual inspection, but a
 friend with an early '80's Ferrari knows someone at the DMV in Sacramento
 who investigated it. The answer is yes, and he changed his reg to HV. This
 is probably a loophole that some bureaucrat will notice and close at some
 point, so I don't go around telling everyone I know about it.  LET'S PLEASE
 KEEP THIS UNDER OUR HATS!!!

 I believe any 25 yrs or older car can be reg HV as long as there are < 2000
 cars of that type reg in CA, but I don't know where I got that number from.

 Whether going to HV reg AFTER you have been nailed for illegal
 modifications will save you I don't know, but it's worth trying.

 Jim

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=bflesland@gmail.com>
 >
 To: panteralist <DeTomaso at realbig.com<http://mc/compose?to=DeTomaso@realbig.com>
 >
 Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:17 pm
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.

 Interesting reading.
 s a historic vehicle registered in Kalifornia always exempt from the
 i-annual smog check?

 an all cars over 25 years be registered as historic vehicles?
  heers Bjoern

 On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:59 PM, doug351c <doug351c at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=doug351c@gmail.com>>
 wrote:
 > Asa Jay,

 Here's what the Washington State DMV stated when I converted my Pantera to
 collector plates a few years ago:

 Washington Historic "Collector Car" License Plates:  $30 for currently
 licensed vehicles.  You get 1 plate for the back only!.  You must turn in
 your old plates, bring in the title, and have proof of identity (drivers
 license).  They provide you a white paper plate until your new one arrives
 (takes about 2 weeks).  Info is available at
 http://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistration/spcollector.html.  You are not
 exempt from the emissions laws, but you are exempt from emissions testing.
 Historic plate cost is a one-time $42.50 fee.  Vehicle use must be for
 "enjoyment purposes", no fee passengers allowed, with no mileage
 limitations.
 Vehicles must be   with either collector vehicle license plates or a
 Washington license plate manufactured for use in the same year as the
 vehicle manufacture date.

 Antique vehicles must be:
 * At least 30 years old
 * Owned and operated as collector vehicle
 * Capable of operating on the highway.

 Collector vehicles may be driven:
 * To and from auto shows, circuses, parades, displays, special excursions,
 antique car club meetings
 * For testing purposes
 * For pleasure of others without compensation.

 Collector vehicles may not be used for:
 * Commercial purposes or to carry a load, or
 * Regular transportation in the manner of a fully licensed vehicle.

 Doug Braun
 blue 73L #5505

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 From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<http://mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
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 Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
 Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:22 PM
 To: detomaso at realbig.com <http://mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
 Kalifornians.

 In Washington (the one next to Idaho), you can get "Historic Vehicle"
 plates for anything over 25 years old as I recall.  A nice 1968
 Mustang parked outside on my way home has historic plates on it.  That
 would be 40 years old plus, but I do think it's 25 years to be
 eligible.  (I'm too lazy to check actually, but have been told my 1973
 Pantera qualifies).

 And it's a permanent registration requiring no front plate.  Bonus!

 Asa Jay

 Quoting Art Stephens <artstephens at verizon.net<http://mc/compose?to=artstephens@verizon.net>
 >:

 > I remember when I went in to register my Pantera as a historical vehicle,
 I
 > was thinking to myself how do they know if it is or not? It seemed to me
 I
 > might have been able to register a 1972 bug as a historical vehicle? My
 > understanding was that the car was supposed to have historical
 > significance/small production numbers? I don't remember seeing any clear
 > definition as to what a historical vehicle was. So, you might be able to
 > register any pre 1976 vehicle as historic?
 >
 > Art
 >
 >
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: "Peter Kovacs" <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net<http://mc/compose?to=peter-kovacs@sbcglobal.net>
 >
 > To: "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=pantdino@aol.com>>;
 <MikeLDrew at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>>; <
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 >;
 > <detomaso at realbig.com <http://mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>>
 > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:33 PM
 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
 Kalifornians.
 >
 >
 >> Regular Reg currently. I haven't been able to locate the HV parameters
 >> yet. It
 >> wasn't easily locatable on the DMV site. I was looking then 'life'
 >> happened. You
 >> you have info on it?
 >>
 >> Peter Kovacs
 >> 209 345-6708
 >> 209 436-2000 fx
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
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 >> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>;
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 peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net<http://mc/compose?to=peter-kovacs@sbcglobal.net>
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 >> Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 3:16:53 PM
 >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
 Kalifornians.
 >>
 >>
 >> Is the car registered as an Historic Vehicle, or with regular
 >> registration?
 >> You might try switching it to HV if it is not already and see if that
 gets
 >> the
 >> Man off your back
 >>
 >> Jim Oddie
 >>
 >>
 >>
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 >> To: MACHWIL at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=MACHWIL@aol.com>;
 peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net<http://mc/compose?to=peter-kovacs@sbcglobal.net>;
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 >> Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:35 pm
 >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
 Kalifornians.
 >>
 >>
 >>  In a message dated 4/28/11 11 26 46, MACHWIL at aol.com<http://mc/compose?to=MACHWIL@aol.com>writes:      

 >
 I
 >> think you are in California. If that is correct your Vega was smog   >
 >> exempt  >
 >> at the time the ticket was issued. That smog law changed years ago and I
 >>  >
 >> believe it extends down to cars built before Dec. 31, 1975. I know my
 '73
 >>  >
 >> Pantera is exempt.  >     Wrongo, Bud!    Your Pantera is exempt from
 >> periodic
 >> inspection.   That is not the same as   being exempt from meeting the
 >> requirements that were in place on the day it   was sold.   At any time,
 a
 >> cop
 >> with an attitude can write you a ticket for   failing to pass his
 >> arbitrary
 >> visual inspection, and then you are forced into   Referee Hell where you
 >> have to
 >> demonstrate to a bureaucrat that your car   does, in fact, possess all
 the
 >> required pollution control equipment that was   installed on the day it
 >> was
 >> first sold.    That's the situation Peter is in now.    The Pantera's
 smog
 >> requirements were fairly basic; a functioning PCV system   is pretty
 much
 >> all
 >> that was there (i.e. no smog pumps, air injection   systems etc.).   But
 >> if you
 >> are running open breathers on your valve covers, you     are failing,
 and
 >> a cop
 >> can legitimately write you a ticket.    Just another good reason to keep
 a
 >> functional PCV system in place....    Mike
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