[DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.

Bjoern Flesland bflesland at gmail.com
Sat Apr 30 02:27:50 EDT 2011


But what happens if car is reg'd after 1975 and on CA historic plates?
Still a smog test exemption?
Cheers Bjoern



On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:

> two reasons: smog test exemption and cost:
> If you have a Pantera that has been in the state for many years it doesn't
> matter much, but if you buy a car for $100,000 then bring it into the state
> you will pay 2% or so of that EVERY YEAR for your annual normal
> registration-- so $2,000
> The HV reg is like $50.
> Which would you rather pay?
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
> To: panteralist <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
>  Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.
>
> What will be the main reasons to register a CA vehicle as historic?
> Instead of just keeping the regular plates.
> Cheers Bjoern
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:50 PM, John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >   read paragraph E and then decide :)
> >
> > http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg17a.pdf
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 4/29/11, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.
> > To: bflesland at gmail.com, DeTomaso at realbig.com
>
> > Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 12:38 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > I was unsure if HV reg exempted a car from biannual inspection, but a
> > friend with an early '80's Ferrari knows someone at the DMV in Sacramento
> > who investigated it. The answer is yes, and he changed his reg to HV. This
> > is probably a loophole that some bureaucrat will notice and close at some
> > point, so I don't go around telling everyone I know about it.  LET'S PLEASE
> > KEEP THIS UNDER OUR HATS!!!
> >
> > I believe any 25 yrs or older car can be reg HV as long as there are < 2000
> > cars of that type reg in CA, but I don't know where I got that number from.
> >
> > Whether going to HV reg AFTER you have been nailed for illegal
> > modifications will save you I don't know, but it's worth trying.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=bflesland@gmail.com>
> > >
> > To: panteralist <DeTomaso at realbig.com<http://mc/compose?to=DeTomaso@realbig.com>
> > >
> > Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:17 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.
> >
> >
> > Interesting reading.
> > s a historic vehicle registered in Kalifornia always exempt from the
> > i-annual smog check?
> >
> > an all cars over 25 years be registered as historic vehicles?
> >  heers Bjoern
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:59 PM, doug351c <doug351c at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=doug351c@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > > Asa Jay,
> >
> > Here's what the Washington State DMV stated when I converted my Pantera to
> > collector plates a few years ago:
> >
> > Washington Historic "Collector Car" License Plates:  $30 for currently
> > licensed vehicles.  You get 1 plate for the back only!.  You must turn in
> > your old plates, bring in the title, and have proof of identity (drivers
> > license).  They provide you a white paper plate until your new one arrives
> > (takes about 2 weeks).  Info is available at
> > http://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistration/spcollector.html.  You are not
> > exempt from the emissions laws, but you are exempt from emissions testing.
> > Historic plate cost is a one-time $42.50 fee.  Vehicle use must be for
> > "enjoyment purposes", no fee passengers allowed, with no mileage
> > limitations.
> > Vehicles must be   with either collector vehicle license plates or a
> > Washington license plate manufactured for use in the same year as the
> > vehicle manufacture date.
> >
> > Antique vehicles must be:
> > * At least 30 years old
> > * Owned and operated as collector vehicle
> > * Capable of operating on the highway.
> >
> > Collector vehicles may be driven:
> > * To and from auto shows, circuses, parades, displays, special excursions,
> > antique car club meetings
> > * For testing purposes
> > * For pleasure of others without compensation.
> >
> > Collector vehicles may not be used for:
> > * Commercial purposes or to carry a load, or
> > * Regular transportation in the manner of a fully licensed vehicle.
> >
> > Doug Braun
> > blue 73L #5505
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<http://mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>
> > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<http://mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>]On <detomaso-bounces at realbig.com%3Chttp://mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%3E%5DOn>
> > Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:22 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com <http://mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
> > Kalifornians.
> >
> >
> > In Washington (the one next to Idaho), you can get "Historic Vehicle"
> > plates for anything over 25 years old as I recall.  A nice 1968
> > Mustang parked outside on my way home has historic plates on it.  That
> > would be 40 years old plus, but I do think it's 25 years to be
> > eligible.  (I'm too lazy to check actually, but have been told my 1973
> > Pantera qualifies).
> >
> > And it's a permanent registration requiring no front plate.  Bonus!
> >
> > Asa Jay
> >
> > Quoting Art Stephens <artstephens at verizon.net<http://mc/compose?to=artstephens@verizon.net>
> > >:
> >
> > > I remember when I went in to register my Pantera as a historical vehicle,
> > I
> > > was thinking to myself how do they know if it is or not? It seemed to me
> > I
> > > might have been able to register a 1972 bug as a historical vehicle? My
> > > understanding was that the car was supposed to have historical
> > > significance/small production numbers? I don't remember seeing any clear
> > > definition as to what a historical vehicle was. So, you might be able to
> > > register any pre 1976 vehicle as historic?
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Kovacs" <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net<http://mc/compose?to=peter-kovacs@sbcglobal.net>
> > >
> > > To: "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=pantdino@aol.com>>;
> > <MikeLDrew at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>>; <
> > MACHWIL at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=MACHWIL@aol.com>
> > >;
> > > <detomaso at realbig.com <http://mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
> > Kalifornians.
> > >
> > >
> > >> Regular Reg currently. I haven't been able to locate the HV parameters
> > >> yet. It
> > >> wasn't easily locatable on the DMV site. I was looking then 'life'
> > >> happened. You
> > >> you have info on it?
> > >>
> > >> Peter Kovacs
> > >> 209 345-6708
> > >> 209 436-2000 fx
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com<http://mc/compose?to=pantdino@aol.com>
> > >
> > >> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>;
> > MACHWIL at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=MACHWIL@aol.com>;
> > peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net<http://mc/compose?to=peter-kovacs@sbcglobal.net>
> > ;
> > >> detomaso at realbig.com <http://mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> > >> Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 3:16:53 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
> > Kalifornians.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Is the car registered as an Historic Vehicle, or with regular
> > >> registration?
> > >> You might try switching it to HV if it is not already and see if that
> > gets
> > >> the
> > >> Man off your back
> > >>
> > >> Jim Oddie
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>
> > >> To: MACHWIL at aol.com <http://mc/compose?to=MACHWIL@aol.com>;
> > peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net<http://mc/compose?to=peter-kovacs@sbcglobal.net>;
> > detomaso at realbig.com <http://mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> > >> Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:35 pm
> > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
> > Kalifornians.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  In a message dated 4/28/11 11 26 46, MACHWIL at aol.com<http://mc/compose?to=MACHWIL@aol.com>writes:
> >
> > >
> > I
> > >> think you are in California. If that is correct your Vega was smog   >
> > >> exempt  >
> > >> at the time the ticket was issued. That smog law changed years ago and I
> > >>  >
> > >> believe it extends down to cars built before Dec. 31, 1975. I know my
> > '73
> > >>  >
> > >> Pantera is exempt.  >     Wrongo, Bud!    Your Pantera is exempt from
> > >> periodic
> > >> inspection.   That is not the same as   being exempt from meeting the
> > >> requirements that were in place on the day it   was sold.   At any time,
> > a
> > >> cop
> > >> with an attitude can write you a ticket for   failing to pass his
> > >> arbitrary
> > >> visual inspection, and then you are forced into   Referee Hell where you
> > >> have to
> > >> demonstrate to a bureaucrat that your car   does, in fact, possess all
> > the
> > >> required pollution control equipment that was   installed on the day it
> > >> was
> > >> first sold.    That's the situation Peter is in now.    The Pantera's
> > smog
> > >> requirements were fairly basic; a functioning PCV system   is pretty
> > much
> > >> all
> > >> that was there (i.e. no smog pumps, air injection   systems etc.).   But
> > >> if you
> > >> are running open breathers on your valve covers, you     are failing,
> > and
> > >> a cop
> > >> can legitimately write you a ticket.    Just another good reason to keep
> > a
> > >> functional PCV system in place....    Mike
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