[DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.

Curt Hall cuvee at sbcglobal.net
Fri Apr 29 16:33:30 EDT 2011 

We all know there are many 1972 cars running around Mexifornia that DON'T have the original drive train! I can't help thinking, there has to be a way to get around this? I mean if it has to be original, were do you go to find a Vega 4 banger engine?
 
One more reason for me to move out of Mexifornia...AGAIN! lol

--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:


From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.
To: bflesland at gmail.com, DeTomaso at realbig.com
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 12:38 PM




I was unsure if HV reg exempted a car from biannual inspection, but a friend with an early '80's Ferrari knows someone at the DMV in Sacramento who investigated it. The answer is yes, and he changed his reg to HV. This is probably a loophole that some bureaucrat will notice and close at some point, so I don't go around telling everyone I know about it.  LET'S PLEASE KEEP THIS UNDER OUR HATS!!!

I believe any 25 yrs or older car can be reg HV as long as there are < 2000 cars of that type reg in CA, but I don't know where I got that number from.

Whether going to HV reg AFTER you have been nailed for illegal modifications will save you I don't know, but it's worth trying.

Jim









-----Original Message-----
From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
To: panteralist <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow Kalifornians.


Interesting reading.
s a historic vehicle registered in Kalifornia always exempt from the
i-annual smog check?
an all cars over 25 years be registered as historic vehicles?
heers Bjoern

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:59 PM, doug351c <doug351c at gmail.com> wrote:
> Asa Jay,

Here's what the Washington State DMV stated when I converted my Pantera to
collector plates a few years ago:

Washington Historic "Collector Car" License Plates:  $30 for currently
licensed vehicles.  You get 1 plate for the back only!.  You must turn in
your old plates, bring in the title, and have proof of identity (drivers
license).  They provide you a white paper plate until your new one arrives
(takes about 2 weeks).  Info is available at
http://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistration/spcollector.html.  You are not
exempt from the emissions laws, but you are exempt from emissions testing.
Historic plate cost is a one-time $42.50 fee.  Vehicle use must be for
"enjoyment purposes", no fee passengers allowed, with no mileage
limitations.
Vehicles must be   with either collector vehicle license plates or a
Washington license plate manufactured for use in the same year as the
vehicle manufacture date.

Antique vehicles must be:
* At least 30 years old
* Owned and operated as collector vehicle
* Capable of operating on the highway.

Collector vehicles may be driven:
* To and from auto shows, circuses, parades, displays, special excursions,
antique car club meetings
* For testing purposes
* For pleasure of others without compensation.

Collector vehicles may not be used for:
* Commercial purposes or to carry a load, or
* Regular transportation in the manner of a fully licensed vehicle.

Doug Braun
blue 73L #5505

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:22 PM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
Kalifornians.


In Washington (the one next to Idaho), you can get "Historic Vehicle"
plates for anything over 25 years old as I recall.  A nice 1968
Mustang parked outside on my way home has historic plates on it.  That
would be 40 years old plus, but I do think it's 25 years to be
eligible.  (I'm too lazy to check actually, but have been told my 1973
Pantera qualifies).

And it's a permanent registration requiring no front plate.  Bonus!

Asa Jay

Quoting Art Stephens <artstephens at verizon.net>:

> I remember when I went in to register my Pantera as a historical vehicle,
I
> was thinking to myself how do they know if it is or not? It seemed to me
I
> might have been able to register a 1972 bug as a historical vehicle? My
> understanding was that the car was supposed to have historical
> significance/small production numbers? I don't remember seeing any clear
> definition as to what a historical vehicle was. So, you might be able to
> register any pre 1976 vehicle as historic?
>
> Art
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Kovacs" <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com>; <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; <MACHWIL at aol.com
>;
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
Kalifornians.
>
>
>> Regular Reg currently. I haven't been able to locate the HV parameters
>> yet. It
>> wasn't easily locatable on the DMV site. I was looking then 'life'
>> happened. You
>> you have info on it?
>>
>> Peter Kovacs
>> 209 345-6708
>> 209 436-2000 fx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
>> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; MACHWIL at aol.com; peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net;
>> detomaso at realbig.com
>> Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 3:16:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
Kalifornians.
>>
>>
>> Is the car registered as an Historic Vehicle, or with regular
>> registration?
>> You might try switching it to HV if it is not already and see if that
gets
>> the
>> Man off your back
>>
>> Jim Oddie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> To: MACHWIL at aol.com; peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:35 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DMV registration question for fellow
Kalifornians.
>>
>>
>>  In a message dated 4/28/11 11 26 46, MACHWIL at aol.com writes:      >
>
I
>> think you are in California. If that is correct your Vega was smog   >
>> exempt  >
>> at the time the ticket was issued. That smog law changed years ago and I
>>  >
>> believe it extends down to cars built before Dec. 31, 1975. I know my
'73
>>  >
>> Pantera is exempt.  >     Wrongo, Bud!    Your Pantera is exempt from
>> periodic
>> inspection.   That is not the same as   being exempt from meeting the
>> requirements that were in place on the day it   was sold.   At any time,
a
>> cop
>> with an attitude can write you a ticket for   failing to pass his
>> arbitrary
>> visual inspection, and then you are forced into   Referee Hell where you
>> have to
>> demonstrate to a bureaucrat that your car   does, in fact, possess all
the
>> required pollution control equipment that was   installed on the day it
>> was
>> first sold.    That's the situation Peter is in now.    The Pantera's
smog
>> requirements were fairly basic; a functioning PCV system   is pretty
much
>> all
>> that was there (i.e. no smog pumps, air injection   systems etc.).   But
>> if you
>> are running open breathers on your valve covers, you     are failing,
and
>> a cop
>> can legitimately write you a ticket.    Just another good reason to keep
a
>> functional PCV system in place....    Mike
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