[DeTomaso] VIKINGS, BUD & MOONSHINE....was - Harness bar

Sun Sep 26 06:05:41 EDT 2010

Yo Bjoern,

Good advise.....and congrats on your run at Silver State and also thanks for welcoming Bud Hower who drove his Pantera all the way  from Kansas to Ely and home again on 7 cylinders! ;-)>

I sure missed seeing and partying with you and the other VIKINGS earlier this month. I heard allot of things about the weekend but it is worth mentioning that Pal Blytt also from Norway recorded  the fastest road average at 183 mph (?) and hit a high of 207 MPH through radar trap which is a tough job on that road. 

Was sorry to hear about Stan "Moonshine" Martin's accident. He is a hellva competitor but glad to hear he is okay even if the Mustang is not.  He is as you know our only American moonshiner at the event and he brings it all the way from Tenn. 

Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com

--- On Sun, 9/26/10, Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Bjoern Flesland <bflesland at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Harness bar
To: "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>, "panteralist" <DeTomaso at realbig.com>
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 2:26 AM

Hello Boyd,
You first need to know what rules apply in your chosen speed class (if you
going open road racing).
Then you will know for sure if you need a roll bar, a roll cage or just a
harness bar.
A harness bar does not actually help you in case of an accident, it just
lets you install your harnesses in a proper way.
I just fitted a harness bar in my car (none DT) + 6 point harnesses and
entered the Sept. SSCC in the 120 mph speed class.
Car went thru tech inspection without any problems.
If you need more info I can recommend you a fabricator/manufacturer who are
making bars for Sparco.
Their work is first class.
Cheers Bjoern

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 4:15 AM, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Peter,
> I don't expect any resolution. I am just blowing off steam from the
> frustration. The only resolution is going to be to decide wether to buy a
> harness bar or a roll bar. Because there are so many high quality people on
> the list it is always disapointing when you cross paths with someone who
> dosen't share the same standards of trust and or morality. Welcome back to
> the real world! Thanks for the moral support!
>
> Boyd
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Peter Kovacs
> <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
> > This time...just a tad. Good luck with the solution.
> >
> > *Peter Kovacs*
> > *209 345-6708 *
> > *209 436-2000 fx*
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> > *To:* Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> > *Cc:* De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > *Sent:* Fri, September 24, 2010 5:26:09 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Harness bar
> >
> > The seller is not trying to beat me out of my payment. He wants to refund
> > it
> > (or technically not accept it as it was sent paypal) It seems once he
> > learned he might recieve $100.00 from UPS for being negligent in his
> > packing
> > of the harness bar, he would rather pocket the extra $40,00 then stick to
> > our agreement to provide me a harness bar for the payment agreed to. I
> paid
> > him an extra $10.00 to cover the pay pal fees on a $51.00 charge ( around
> > $7.00 more then Pay pal would charge. )I even offered to pay the
> additional
> > expense so that the ups settlement would be sufficent for him to come out
> > whole (plus $7.00) and I would stilll get a harness bar for around $20.00
> > dollars more then the price we agreed upon instead of me now having to
> pay
> > more then double then the price we agreed upon.His word is apparently not
> > worth the extra $40.00.
> > Or maybe I am being unreasonable?
> >
> > Hugh Boyd Casey
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > >  So did the seller refund your money? Pay Pal should be hooked to a
> > > credit card so payment can be stopped till there is a fair resolution
> to
> > the
> > > problem. Sad, but sometimes we learn the hard way about who's word is
> > good?
> > >
> > > Good Luck
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On *Fri, 9/24/10, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: [DeTomaso] Harness bar
> > > To: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > > Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 4:26 PM
> > >
> > >  Dear List subscribers,
> > > I had agreed to purcchase a used harness bar from a member who will
> > remain
> > > unnamed. He sent the bar wrapped in card board with out properly
> sealing
> > > the
> > > ends of the package and the harness bar apparently pushed through the
> > tape
> > > that was the only thing sealing the ends of the card board wrapper. I
> was
> > > not home when UPS left the empty package on my front steps so I could
> not
> > > address the issue with them before they left the package. I called the
> > > seller and was unable to reach him. I then called UPS and they
> apologized
> > > and said they would look into it and have a decision within five days.
> > UPS
> > > provides $100 for all shipments even if uninsured by the sender. The
> > seller
> > > was in a position to receive $10.00 more then he was asking for me for
> > the
> > > purchase and shipment due to me paying him paying him via pay pal.
> Rather
> > > then accept the payment and use the UPS settlement to provide the
> > promised
> > > harness bar the seller opted to cancel the transaction and pocket the
> UPs
> > > settlement and renege on our agreement to provide me with a harness bar
> > for
> > > the terms we agreed upon. I even offered to pay the difference between
> > the
> > > ups settlement and the actual cost of the replacement  harness bar. So
> > > instead of living up to the terms of our agreement he opted to profit
> > from
> > > his own negligence in improperly packing the harness bar and stiff me
> for
> > > the harness bar and pocket the extra $40.00 UPS settlement. This is
> after
> > I
> > > purchased a pair of 6 point harnesses, grommets for installing the
> > > submarine
> > > belts in my recaro style seats and assorted mounting hardware for the
> > > harnesses all based on the budget set by the purchase of the harness
> bar.
> > > So
> > > my question is does anyone else have a harness bar they are not using
> and
> > > would like to sell or perhaps someone with a machine shop would be
> > willing
> > > to make me a harness bar for a reasonable cost or maybe even a roll bar
> > if
> > > reasonable and it won't interfere with my AC hoses.
> > > Please let me know if there is anyone who can help me out in this
> matter.
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Hugh Boyd Casey
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