[DeTomaso] detomaso harness bar

[Dave Londry]

  That's be tough Ken.
Modulus of Elasticity of plastics is terrible.
Even fiberglass is bad. They're just not stiff.
dave

On 9/15/2010 11:54 AM, Ken Green wrote:
> Tom,
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>     I think they are trying to get close to the rear shock upper mounting points.  That makes sense because that's where the car's weight is carried. 
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>      I think an issue with making a Pantera stiff is that triangles don't look good in the horizontal plane.  I wonder if a clear shear panel with a metal frame could be made to fit over the ZF to stiffen that area.  We all want our cars to look good, and a clear panel there could look "right".  I just don't know a lot about the strength of plastics.  Flat shear panels, like the fire wall, are pretty strong.  The panel could also be the floor of a luggage compartment that allows viewing the ZF etc.
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> Ken
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> --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Tom Borcich<tborcich at msn.com>  wrote:
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> From: Tom Borcich<tborcich at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] detomaso harness bar
> To: "Pantera Jim Gray"<grayjim at att.net>, "Pantera Ken Green"<kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Pantera REALBIG forum"<detomaso at realbig.com>, "Pantera Mad Dog Antenucci"<teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 11:35 AM
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> Nice car. Not sure that I like mounting the lateral support tubes on the wheels house structure...if they are rust free, maybe. I would rather connect to the lower frame rails, aft of the engine?  I've seen them connected to the engine on cars that used the motor as a weight bearing member. MD...how did Dick Dreske secure his roll bar, or is it a cage?  I remember lots of bars running around his engine compartment.  I have some pictures I will look at.
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> Best Regards,
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> Tom
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> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:11:39 -0700
> From: grayjim at att.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] detomaso harness bar
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com; tborcich at msn.com; teampantera at yahoo.com
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> That car belongs to our beloved Matt Bradley who now resides in Tulsa, OK.
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> Jim Gray
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> From: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Pantera REALBIG forum<detomaso at realbig.com>; Tom Borcich<tborcich at msn.com>; Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 12:03:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] detomaso harness bar
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> Are you thinking of this car (someone on the list bought it I think):
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> http://www.panteracars.com/higgs.html
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> Ken
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> --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>  wrote:
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> From: Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
> detomaso harness bar
> To: "Pantera REALBIG forum"<detomaso at realbig.com>, "Tom Borcich"<tborcich at msn.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 1:31 AM
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> Great idea for the roll bar. I've seen one Pantera with this roll bar set up....memory fading but thought owner/driver was from Arizona. It may be GW and I love GW but he is on a 100 year build-out...;-]>
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> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> The 1st&  still the only vintage race team in open road racing
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> --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Tom Borcich<tborcich at msn.com>  wrote:
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> From: Tom Borcich<tborcich at msn.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] detomaso harness bar
> To: "Pantera REALBIG forum"<detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 12:34 AM
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> Here's the simple solution. Put the roll bar in the engine bay behind the firewall and run braces
> backward to the wheel houses or back to a frame support. Didn't GW do that on his car?
> For what most of us do (MD and a few others excluded) a roll bar like that would give plenty of
> protection.  Most importantly it gets it out of the passenger compartment and away from your head.
> That is the way McLaren, Lola and many builders put them together during the CanAm days.
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> Regards,
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> Tom
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