[DeTomaso] harness bar.

Dave McManus dave at damardirect.com
Wed Sep 15 10:03:47 EDT 2010


Probably because they are amazed you are running 150 mph.
When they call for air support, you know you are in deep sheeeet, as MD
would say.
IndyDave

-----Original Message-----
From: michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:15 PM
To: Curt Hall
Cc: asajay at asajay.com; pantera list; detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] harness bar.

At car shows, cops always come up to the car, not once has one said anything
about the belts and they are hard to miss.

For some reason State Troopers like the car more than City cops.

Michael Shortt

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> and why is it we love these cars?
>
> --- On Tue, 9/14/10, michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] harness bar.
> To: asajay at asajay.com, boyd411 at gmail.com, detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> Cc: "pantera list" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 4:55 PM
>
>
>
> The upper side and front bars are way too close to your head due to the
> demensions of the cabin.  If you're in a tight harness, you might
> miss the front bar but will most likely still wack the top side bar in a
> wreck...without a helmet, that would be bad.  As for just wearing a full
> harness?  Well, if you look at stock seat belts in most modern cars the
> have a folded or doubled section that tears open to ease the deceleration.
> You have to consider all the other safety items in new cars too.  Three
> inch shoulder belts will stretch too, but not as much and that will leave
> your neck as the last elastic link in the chain if you don't have a padded
> neck collar or HANS like device.  There is no surefire way to get around
> this...
> You pays your money and takes your chances.  You can't wear a helmet on
the
> street.  I won't put a cage in because of that.  I wear a harness
> because the stock belts were a joke.  I guess I'm in the middle somewhere.
>
> Michael Frazier
> Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa
>
>
>
>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] harness bar.
> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso-bounces at realbig.com; red3644 at hotmail.com
> > CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> > From: asajay at asajay.com
> > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:32:17 +0000
> >
> > What kind of injuries? How is it these devices caused more injury? No
> padding? Need more info before making a judgment.
> > Sent using Elfen Magic.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> > Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:13:10
> > To: michael frazier<red3644 at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: pantera list<detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] harness bar.
> >
> > To anyone interested I have read several articles that stated that
> driving a
> > car with a harness , or roll bar or roll cage while not wearing a helmet
> > dramatically increased the chances of suffering serious head ,or neck
> > injuries . They pointed out that it was considerably inconvenient to
wear
> a
> > helmet while driving on the street but having a car equipped with a roll
> > bar, roll cage or harness bar and not wearing a helmet was tantamount to
> > inviting catastrophic head injury. The harness bar seemed to offer the
> least
> > danger while the roll cage provided the greatest danger. The article
> really
> > got my attention and got me worried about the potential dangers. Anyone
> care
> > to comment on this subject? I still want to go with a roll cage someday
> but
> > as I mentioned until I can do it right I want to use a harness bar so I
> can
> > use a 6 point harness.
> >
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:08 PM, michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Just for what it's worth...
> > > The normally used vendor bars mount the shoulder belts higher on the
> > > inside than the outside. No big problem, I just am aware of it
> sometimes
> > > when everything is snugged down and really tight. I have those Scheel
> > > seats you see in some cars. They came out decades ago but are really
> pretty
> > > good seats.
> > > The headrests get in the way if your wearing a helmet so I took them
> out.
> > > The corner edge of the bar is now a couple of inches behind the base
of
> your
> > > skull
> > > waiting for an excuse to put a deep crease in the back of your head.
> Check
> > > that out and see how it works with your seat. The headrests go back in
> when
> > > I'm
> > > not wearing a helmet. There are some reallt good cages out there now
> but I
> > > haven't seen one that I would feel comfortable driving without a tight
> 4
> > > point harness.
> > > All the front cross bars are too close to my forehead. My solutions
> > > are...Don't put a cage in my car unless it's really a full time track
> car.
> > > As for the harness bar,
> > > I noticed that a straight line between the 2 mounting bolts run across
> the
> > > firewall just above the hump. I'm gonna make on using a thickwall
round
> bar
> > > with some
> > > simple mounts on the end. That sould put it a little lower relative to
> the
> > > seatback and both shoulder belts will be level. Just stuff I notice
> while
> > > I'm dinking around
> > > with other things...like gussets in my control arms. :)
> > >
> > > Michael Frazier Marfa-Presidio Open Road Race 16 OCT '10 --- They
still
> > > have open slots!
> > > Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:45:16 -0400
> > > > From: boyd411 at gmail.com
> > > > To: asajay at asajay.com
> > > > CC: don.thomas.cissp at gmail.com; JDeRyke at aol.com;
> detomaso at realbig.com
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] harness bar.
> > > >
> > > > I actually want to install a roll cage. To do it right I need to
pull
> the
> > > > motor, trans axle and all the interior carpeting and the engine
hatch
> so
> > > it
> > > > can be modified for ease of removal (cut in half etc.) Since I don't
> have
> > > > the time or opportunity to do either the roll cage or a descent roll
> bar
> > > > now I want to install a harness bar as a temporary fix. I want to
get
> the
> > > > best harness bar I can get for the money. If I could get one of the
> > > members
> > > > with a machine shop to fabricate one for me that would be great and
I
> > > would
> > > > prefer it immeasurable over a bar from the vendors. So if any one
out
> > > there
> > > > has the means and the inclination I would gladly compensate them for
> > > their
> > > > efforts. I could provide photos and measurements so they could
> fabricate
> > > a
> > > > bar to the correct specifications.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Boyd
> > > >
> > > > P.S.
> > > > (Dawg thanks for you you advice and suggestion I hope someone takes
> your
> > > > hint and offers to help me out)
> > > >
> > > > HBC :>)
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yea....that's about what mine is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Asa Jay.
> > > > > Sent using Elfen Magic.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Don Thomas <dt at ieee.org>
> > > > > Sender: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > > > > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:12:46
> > > > > To: <JDeRyke at aol.com>
> > > > > Reply-To: don.thomas.cissp at gmail.com
> > > > > Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] harness bar.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 5/8" Thick ? (0.625")
> > > > >
> > > > > Really ?
> > > > >
> > > > > JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Boyd, it seems the bolt spread between the shoulder harness
bolts
> > > varies
> > > > > a
> > > > > > little between Panteras. I don't use one but I installed a Hall
> unit
> > > on a
> > > > > > '73 Pantera quite recently, and the bolts did not match up to
the
> > > > > predrilled
> > > > > > holes. The black painted bar is 5/8" thick x 1" wide steel bar
> stock
> > > with
> > > > > > bends on each end, but with some effort and a big vise, the ends
> can
> > > be
> > > > > > cold-bent to change the spacing. So if what you get doesn't fit,
> you
> > > need
> > > > > not slot
> > > > > > the holes. FWIW- J DeRyke
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