[DeTomaso] what clutches that work with the ZF?

[Ken Green]

Mike,
 
    I understand your views, and I'm sure some people appreciate them, but what I asked for were specific disks and PPs that experience has show to work.  I like playing with different parts and understanding why one part works and another doesn't.  I also have received contradictory information from manufactures so often that I don't give them a lot of weight any more.
 
   So, if you have part numbers, please share them.
 
Ken

--- On Mon, 9/6/10, mikeldrew at aol.com <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:


From: mikeldrew at aol.com <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] what clutches that work with the ZF?
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 1:29 PM


Ken,

You wrote:


> I called McLeod yesterday and asked about using their 11 inch 
diaphragm Mustang
clutch in the Pantera

>>> Why would you want to run a Mustang clutch in a Pantera?  Panteras 
need a PANTERA clutch, yes they are different.

> and they responded that you have to use the 11 inch Long
style clutch which is Pantera specific. 

>>> Not quite true...what you have to run is one of their 11 inch 
clutches which are Pantera specific--either Long or diaphragm style, they offer them both.

> My guess is that this specific pressure
plate does not have the weights that can come out and hit the inside of the bell
housing,

>>> Diaphragm clutches generally don´t have weights.  Only Centerforce 
clutches (which, coincidentally, are diaphragm style) have those weights.

>but I'm not sure I believe that you can't use the Mustang 11 inch
diaphragm pressure plate,

>>> It´s well-known, tried and failed, been there done that.  Mustang 
clutches will bolt up but will NOT work properly.


> and on a previous visit to McLeod, another tech there
recommended the 11 inch diaphragm pressure plate. 

>>> Yes...the one they make specifically for the Pantera.

> I also know at least one
Pantera owner using the McLeod dual disk clutch with no issues.

>>> McLeod offers a whole bunch of Pantera-specific clutches in numerous 
styles.  Their website used to have a simple page that listed them all (they also have Dash 1 clutches, numerous styles, and they are different from the Dash 2 style, and they also have numerous Mangusta clutches).  They 'improved' their website with a lookup function that doesn't work, so now you can no longer see what they offer for us.  You have to call and ask the right question (forget about 'Mustang' clutch and just ask about the different Pantera clutches they offer), or call Dennis Quella, who is a McLeod dealer.

I helped install a McLeod diaphragm clutch on a Pantera earlier this year, and have sent five or six of them to various Euro Pantera buddies in the past year, and all reported great success--equal clamping power with less pedal effort.  I have a McLeod three-finger clutch in my car because I didn't know about the diaphragm option when I bought it back in 1992.
 
> Based on this, can we put together a list of clutches (disks and 
pressure
plates) that are known to work in a Pantera from actual experience? 

>>> The list is pretty small.  Centerforce clutches work okay (some have 
had problems, the Adlers spit nails any time you mention the name due to a catastrophic failure in their car), and McLeod has a perfect reputation.  Those are the only Pantera-specific clutch manufacturers I can think of off the top of my head, but really, how many clutches do you really need?  Those two brands offer more than a dozen different Pantera clutch options between them....

Mike