[DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!

Fri Oct 22 16:21:45 EDT 2010

Maybe No US Laws, surely he would be breaking Mexican Laws, aside from that,
there is Moral Laws and supplying weapoms to goons pretty much violates
abouit every decency I can think of, perhaps justice will be served and upon
delivery, they will take the guns and the money and leave the headless
corspe of the arms dealer in the sand with the other morons who deal drugs.

Michael

Money, Money....(he,he,he ) We don't need no stink'n money!

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> 2 thoughts--
>
> 1) as I mentioned, the story involved Texas, not California. Very different
> philosophies.  And the sale was items which were leaving the country.  So
> Texas law would not apply anyway?
>
> 2) my understanding is that it is not that difficult to modify a semi-auto
> weapon to an auto one if an auto form exists.
> Is that not correct?
>
> It seems to me that gun control as it exists today is just a waste of time
> and money because it does not keep guns out of the hands of criminals or
> psychos. That kid who killed a bunch of his classmates (Virginia Tech?) had
> a psych history but still got a gun thru the legal system.   Certainly,
> until they close the gun show loophole it is pointless.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: wkooiman at earthlink.net; detomaso at realbig.com; Pantdino <
> pantdino at aol.com>
> Sent: Fri, Oct 22, 2010 12:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
> toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>
>
>
>
>
> The liberal media strikes again...
>
> First, what's an "assault rifle".  A true assault rifle is selective fire
> (full or semi auto).
>
> Special licenses are required to have these in the US and you basically
> can't legally have one in California.  If anyone "selling" "assault rifles"
> got off, it had to be because there was no actual sale and transfer, or
> something like that.  If the FEDs think you have an illegal assault rifle
> (i.e., you don't have the very special license), you will get a surprise
> visit and get to know them real well, and then some inmates in Federal
> prison, real soon.
>
> This is the kind of BS that the liberal media carelessly spreads to advance
> their agenda for us, basically a society dependent on the government elite
> for work, food, lodging, and protection.  A combination of 1984 (Big
> Brother) and Animal Farm (we're all equal but the pigs are MORE equal).
>  They will pick up our guns on Monday, and come back Friday for anything
> else we own that they think they should have.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Fri, 10/22/10, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
> toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
> To: wkooiman at earthlink.net, kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 12:24 PM
>
>
>
>
>
> "they can only purchase U.S. guns
> y violating U.S. gun control laws"
>
> I don't think that's true.  The basis for my statement is that I heard the
> US gov't
> tried to bust a guy in Texas for selling like 50 assault rifles to the drug
> cartels in Mexico.
> The case was dismissed because he hadn't broken any laws.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Kooiman <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Pantdino' <
> pantdino at aol.com>
> Sent: Fri, Oct 22, 2010 7:13 am
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
> toown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>
>
> Sorry for dragging this on, but...
> I agree, except that I don't think the issue is liberal politicians wanting
> o protect themselves.  There may be some of that, i.e. Nazi Germany, but I
> on't think that's the case in the U.S. - at least not yet.
> Gun control laws exist in the U.S. because a section of the public believes
> hat gun control laws reduce violence.  They support politicians, either
> hrough voting or by voicing their concerns in the media, and then the
> oliticians push for more laws.
> Take a look at every high profile shooting that has occurred in the last 20
> ears.  After nearly every one, the public says they want more gun control
> aws.  They neglect to mention that the bad guy broke many gun control laws
> n committing the crime.  What would more laws do?
> If you look at how gun control laws affect other countries, you'll see that
> hey make crime much worse.  Mexico is a perfect example.  Mexico has very
> trict gun control.  The drug cartels control the border towns, the media,
> he politicians, and the police departments.  You could argue that they can
> nly exercise their grip on the country by using guns purchased in the U.S.,
> nd that's probably a fair assessment, but they can only purchase U.S. guns
> y violating U.S. gun control laws.  i.e. gun control laws are ineffective.
> If we were to eliminate all guns from the U.S. and Mexico, Mexican drug
> angs would just get their guns somewhere else.  You would have to eliminate
> uns from the planet.
> Even if you could eliminate all guns, you'd have to eliminate the knowledge
> bout how to build a gun.  I doubt very seriously that a section of the
> ublic or any politician believes that's a viable option.  It's just too
> tupid.
> BTW, I don't own a gun, and I'm not in the NRA.
> -----Original Message-----
> rom: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> ehalf Of Ken Green
> ent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:31 PM
> o: detomaso at realbig.com; Pantdino
> ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue
> oown a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
> Ya, but the psychopaths, convicted jewelry store robbers, rapists, and
> eleased killers are going to kill you with or without a gun.  They do it
> very day.  Australia basically banned gun ownership, and violent home
> nvasions increased significantly.  When criminals know that victims are
> isarmed, they know they are safe to come and get you.
>
> personally know a couple people who were approached by bad guys intending
> iolence. My friends showed that they were armed (no shots fired), and the
> ad guys walked away.  If you don't want a firearm that's your business, but
> t's wrong for you to tell people (who probably don't live in the kind of
> eighborhood you live in) that they cannot defend themselves.  You can argue
> ll you want the Hand Gun Control Inc. just wants to keep guns from the bad
> uys, but if you listen to what they say, they basically want to eventually
> ake all guns away from private citizens, and everything they do is a step
> n that direction.  First they need to know where all the guns are
> registration), then they want to go after them.  It's happened that way
> ver and over again in other countries.
>
> ottom line is that it's not about gun control, it's about BIG government
> ontrolling people.  Politicians, and especially liberal politicians, don't
> eel good about an armed public.
>
> en
> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>
> rom: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to
> wn a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
> o: detomaso at realbig.com
> ate: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:07 PM
>
> The point he is making is that ANYONE can buy a gun without difficulty.
> sychopaths, convicted jewelry store robbers and rapists, released killers.
> As long as people can buy guns that way, all the waiting periods and
> ackground checks are just a waste of time and money.  He is pointing out
> hat the system of controlling who gets a gun is a sham.
> Jim
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: LARRY KELSEY <falconsimage at msn.com>
> o: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; chrisvkimball at msn.com;
> resnofinches at aol.com; pantdino at aol.com; cuvee at sbcglobal.net;
> ob at dodgecarroll.com; b.hower3400 at yahoo.com; hoppe1 at cox.net;
> pache34 at embarqmail.com; Mad Dawg <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> ent: Thu, Oct 21, 2010 7:29 pm
> ubject: RE: NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a gun
> eeds to read this! NOW!!
>
> awg, JB, others,
>
> id I get this right?  If you work for the Brady Campaign and are secretly
> ilming, It's perfectly all right to buy guns for cash with no ID and no
> aperwork and no background check.  BUT if I want to do the same thing it is
> omehow wrong?
> ell, I'm joining the Brady group, getting me a button video cam and buying
> e some guns too!  Anybody want me to buy them anything?
>
> his guy is convinced that guns make him unsafe, especially if they are sold
> ithout a background check.  He bought several guns...are we less safe now
> hat he bought them?  He spent the whole day with gun fanciers and in a
> uilding with probably thousands of guns.  Did anybody shoot him?  Did
> nybody even shoot AT him?  Was he inherently unsafe?  Was his life in
> anger?  He doesn't say but the answer is no. What a putz.
>
> he other Larry, not the anti-gun Larry.
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:56:09 -0700
> rom: gndplne at yahoo.com
> ubject: Re: NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a gun
> eeds to read this! NOW!!
> o: chrisvkimball at msn.com; fresnofinches at aol.com; pantdino at aol.com;
> uvee at sbcglobal.net; bob at dodgecarroll.com; falconsimage at msn.com;
> .hower3400 at yahoo.com; hoppe1 at cox.net; apache34 at embarqmail.com;
> eampantera at yahoo.com
>
> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
> nothing."
> -Edmund Burke
> I can't sit quietly.
> JB
>
> -- On Thu, 10/21/10, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> rom: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> ubject: NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a gun needs
> o read this! NOW!!
> o: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, "Pantdino"
> pantdino at aol.com>, "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "John Bentley"
> gndplne at yahoo.com>, "Bob Radefeld" <bob at dodgecarroll.com>,
> alconsimage at msn.com, "B Hower" <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>, hoppe1 at cox.net,
> Chuck Adkinson" <apache34 at embarqmail.com>
> ate: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 5:43 AM
>
>
>
>
> Not on the Pantera List anymore and don't miss it.  Why did you copy me
> okker? ;-]>
> uys like Larry and the anti-gun brigade  who have never been in harms way
> on't get it.... and never will.
>
> ad Dawg Antenucci
> eam Pantera Racing
> he 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> ww.teampanteraracing.com
>
> -- On Wed, 10/20/10, John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> rom: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
> ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to
> wn a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
> o: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com,
> Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com>, "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> c: "Dennis" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> ate: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 10:26 PM
>
>
>
> TH?  After being off the list for a couple years, I check back in and its
> resnoLarry telling the masses about the virtues of gun control!  Are you
> idding me?  Wow, do some things never change or what?  Talk about
> isinformed or not honest.......where do I begin?
> Anyone that really honestly believes the government can take away ALL the
> uns is way out in left field. Laws are only followed by the law-abiding
> itizens.  Anyone that doesn't believe that should take a ride-along with
> heir county Sheriff.
> NPC
> JB
>
> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> rom: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to
> wn a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
> o: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com,
> Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com>
> ate: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 9:45 PM
>
> aybe take away Cell Phones? Now that might save a few traffic accidents!
> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
>
> rom: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to
> wn a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
> o: chrisvkimball at msn.com, fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> ate: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:00 PM
>
> I don't think anyone need fear that guns will be taken away, even from
> riminals.  The NRA has a very effective lobbying arm and the government is
> o ineffectual that it's basically impossible.
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> o: fresnofinches at aol.com; Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> ent: Wed, Oct 20, 2010 6:05 pm
> ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to
> wn a gun needs to read this! NOW!!
>
> K, I hate to get into controversies, but hey, I'll bet there are far more
> aths and maimings from car accidents than guns.
> f someone had driven a car into President Reagan, would there be a huge
> utcry
> outlaw cars?  In fact, a speeding car crashing into a crowded shopping
> enter
> uld easily kill more people than a lone gunman with a pistol.
> o be specific; there are currently 247,000,000 passenger vehicles in the
> SA
> cording to a 2007 D.O.T. study.  In 2009, there were approximately 34,000
> affic deaths in this Country.
> here are 235,000,000 handguns in the USA.  There are approximately 29,000
> nd-gun related deaths each year (give or take a few), and about 17,000 are
> icides (which, arguably, would occur via some other way if handguns weren't
> vailable).
> evertheless, even counting suicides, there is approximately one gun-related
> eath for every 8,103 guns in this country, and one traffic death for every
> 265 cars owned.
> et's outlaw cars!
> hris
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> ate: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:51:28 -0400
> rom: fresnofinches at aol.com
> ubject: [DeTomaso] Anybody that owns a gun or wants to continue to own a
> un
> eds to read this! NOW!!
>
>
> un shows are found in many cities throughout the year.
> any states have no gun sale regulations. Those that do differ widely in
> heir
> gulations.
> endors at gun shows may include both federally licensed and private
> ellers.
> ederally licensed sellers must adhere to federal regulations.
> rivate sellers may or may not be required to follow regulations.
> ederally licensed sellers do leave a paper trail of sales and this can be
> nitored.
> rivate sellers do not leave a paper trail.
> aws and regulations can be followed, ignored or bypassed.
> Doug stated "a federal study found that gun show sales account for only 2%
> f
> e guns used in crimes."
> his is laughably inaccurate. By default, any such study can only include
> corded sales made at gun shows.
> hus it omits most private gun sales made at these shows. Likewise, it can
> ly include crimes where the
> eapon is recovered by law enforcement; surely most crimes are not solved
> nd
> weapons are recovered.
> Doug is correct when he says Federally licensed dealers must follow all
> gulations, including waiting period regulations,
> or all sales in retail locations or at gun shows. However, private sellers
> e not under such regulation in most states.
> rivate sellers may make their sales at gun shows, gun clubs, through the
> ternet or any other venue they may choose.
> nder most state laws, none of those sales are regulated.
> In 1981 President Reagan narrowly escaped being assassinated by a lone
> unman.
> s Press Secretary Jim Brady was
> ot so fortunate, and suffered a devastating head wound from one of the
> ooter's exploding bullets. In response, the
> rady Campaign and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence were created.
> eir Mission Statement is simply this:
>
>                         Weare devoted to creating an America free from gun
> iolence, where allAmericans are safe at home, at school,
> t work, and in our communities.
> On April 16, 2007 32 people were killed by a gunman at Virginia Tech. Colin
> ddard was shot four times in that massacre
> ut did survive. He has taken it upon himself to help assist in closing the
> n show loophole. To this end he works with the
> rady Campaign and visits gun shows carrying cash but no I.D. He easily
> rchases and leaves those shows with guns.
> View his YouTube video here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baPgr_tw79Q
> Anyone who says there is not a gun sales loophole at gun shows (and many
> ther
> cations) is either misinformed
> r not being honest.
> Larry
>
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