[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 76, Issue 12

George Scott georgegfs at grics.net
Fri Nov 12 08:08:14 EST 2010 

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>     1. interior seat covers (ooiam at juno.com)
>     2. Re: German looking for Pantera (Bill Lewis)
>     3. On this day (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
>     4. Dave Adler - New Pantera Book (Robert Douglas)
>     5. History Channel at Cars&  Coffee this Saturday
>        (WLHPANTERA at aol.com)
>     6. NPC: "LAST AIRPLANE OUT OF BOEING PLANT 2"
>        (michael at michaelshortt.com)
>     7. interior seat covers (Garth Rodericks)
>     8. Pantera Thief (detomasoregistry at gmail.com)
>     9. Re: German looking for Pantera (Mike Thomas)
>    10. Re: NPC: "LAST AIRPLANE OUT OF BOEING PLANT 2" (Mike Thomas)
>    11. interior seat covers (Justin Greisberg)
>    12. I'm looking for the Modena car... (detomasoregistry at gmail.com)
>    13. NPC but car related (Curt Hall)
>    14. Re: NPC but car related (michael at michaelshortt.com)
>    15. Re: NPC but car related (boyd casey)
>    16. Re: NPC but car related (JDeRyke at aol.com)
>    17. Re: Euro panel lights? (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
>    18. Re: Euro panel lights? (Tomas Gunnarsson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:05:50 GMT
> From: "ooiam at juno.com"<ooiam at juno.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] interior seat covers
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> I want to recover my seats and put new foam in.  I found sacc restorations that have seat cover's that look like they are a good match.  Anyone purchase from them before?  They are at saccrestorations.net. Hall Pantera also has a set.  Thanks for any advise. Martin
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:23:43 +0000
> From: Bill Lewis<lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
> To:<oldwheel at mts.net>,<detomaso at realbig.com>,<msm at portata.com>,
> 	<mbefthomas at comcast.net>,<michaelsavga at gmail.com>,<pantdino at aol.com>
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> "Original" or not???  Wow, are we Pantera folks lucky.  We can change anything (almost - Chevy engine: Not) and get nods of approval.  Harley folks are the same: customize your bike to make it yours, but be sure that YOU wear the appropriate black clothing, and you are cool, dude!!
> But, it's good that a few want to keep them original - so in the future we can see what "original" is/was.   --Bill
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>> From: oldwheel at mts.net
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; msm at portata.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; michaelsavga at gmail.com; pantdino at aol.com
>> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:10:00 -0600
>> Subject: [DeTomaso]  German looking for Pantera
>>
>> It is sometimes hard to see things from a different perspective than your
>> own. If a true restoration to original condition is what the buyer has his
>> heart set on, the silver car is nearly worthless to them. So much has been
>> changed and discarded, it would cost a fortune to try to restore it. The
>> AQUA car, on the other hand, might be a very good candidate as long as it
>> isn't rotten with rust. It has much (not all) of the little original pieces
>> that most Panteras now lack. I know that's not your perspective, but there
>> are those of us who think a true original has great value (more Europeans
>> think that way than Americans, I suspect). A Cevy powered Pantera is
>> probably saleable to a very small percentage of the potential Pantera buyers
>> market, so may not be easy to dump, regardless of how a few of us may feel
>> about it. Until a pristine original Pantera has great value among Pantera
>> owners groups, the rest of them will always be relatively unwanted (and
>> called kit cars by many)
>> Barry
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>> Pantdino pantdino at aol.com
>> Wed Nov 10 20:02:40 CST 2010
>>
>> As I see it, the market value of a car is how much someone will pay for it,
>> not how much the seller is asking for.
>>
>> If the seller of the silver car had to lower his price it means it was not
>> worth what he had previously been asking.  If it sells at the current price,
>> then that is its market value.
>>
>> There is clearly more than $10K in value difference between these two cars.
>> Personally I wouldn't want a big block Chevy powered car, but it does
>> establish a rough price for condition comparison point.
>>
>> Jim
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: michael at michaelshortt.com<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> To: Pantdino<pantdino at aol.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 5:38 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
>>
>>
>> So let's all hope the POS goes for top dollar, then nicer examples will be
>> worth more. That's how it starts.  Pantera owners do this all of the time
>> and thats why comparable cars with the same number of survivors outpace our
>> car's dollar values.    I think we should all just add 15k to all Panteras
>> on principle alone. Michael
>> On Nov 10, 2010 7:50 PM, "Pantdino"<pantdino at aol.com>  wrote:
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what you mean
>>> These are both Panteras so I'm not deriding them.
>>> I'm just saying that a beautiful, running, driving car being sold by a
>> known Pantera dealer is worth WAY more than a "not driven in years, may not
>> start" project car being sold by a "general" dealer who doesn't even know
>> leather from vinyl (the ad says the car has its original leather interior).
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: michael at michaelshortt.com<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> To: Pantdino<pantdino at aol.com>
>>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Sent: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 4:42 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
>>>
>>>
>>> We are our own worst enemy and this is why a crappy 308 can sell for more
>>> han a Pantera. Why deride our cars? If he can get that, then how much
>> could
>>> ou or I get? Michael Shortt.
>>> n Nov 10, 2010 7:33 PM, "Pantdino"<pantdino at aol.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> If this car can be had for $46K there is positively no way the WA car is
>>> orth $35
>>>
>>> http://www.pim.net/4092010DP.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pantdino<pantdino at aol.com>
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2010 10:27 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> udging from the cars I see advertised in the POCA magazine there is no way
>>> his
>>> ne is worth $35K.
>>> Not started or driven in years??? Forget it unless someone has checked out
>>> he
>>> ngine and transaxle, rebuilt the brakes and clutch systems, etc, etc,
>>> Jim Oddie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----Original Message-----
>>> rom: Mike Thomas<mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>> o: rathsberg at web.de
>>> c: msm at portata.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>>> ent: Tue, Nov 9, 2010 6:20 pm
>>> ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
>>>
>>> uten tag, Bernd
>>> 've personally reviewed this car, located in a rather eclectic shop in
>>> rnation, WA, a little town about 30 miles NE of Seattle, WA, on the US
>>> st coast. Couldn't get much further from Deutschland.
>>> he car presents quite clean. There does not appear to have been any body
>>> mage, and what rust is visible appears to be largely on the surface. It
>>> s been repainted in the original and very rare Aqua green, but, oddly,
>>> th the rear deck painted black. Said to have sat for many years, the
>>> int is in very good condition. The original early interior is in
>>> cellent condition, with the exception of the steering wheel center, and
>>> e trim inside and out is good as well. The engine bay is fairly clean,
>>> t totally original with the undercoating, hoses and wires, and looking
>>> ke it hasn't been cared for for a while.
>>> was not able to allowed to start the car to see how it ran (it supposedly
>>> t in a barn not moving for many years before they found it), so I cannot
>>> test to mechanical condition of either the engine or ZF transmission. The
>>> lever seemed to move smoothly enough in the gate. This inspection was in
>>> ne of this year, and recent news of those who have stopped to see the car
>>> that they still have not tried to start it. This could be confirmed by
>>> ntacting the seller directly.
>>> f there are no mechanical issues, this would be a very nice car to show or
>>> ive once attention was paid to all the usual things that dry out over
>>> me, and a freshening of the fluids, brakes and cooling system.
>>> he shop is called Vintage Motors, on line at www.giocars.com, and can be
>>> ached by telephone at 425-333-5600. The owner's name is Jim Giordano.
>>> ve spoken to him a couple of times, and he seems like a pretty good
>>> rson.
>>> believe other have replied, including Chuck Melton, who has a link to a
>>> mber of photos which you may not have seen.
>>> lease contact me directly if you wish.
>>> uf Viedersehen
>>> ke Thomas
>>> L #6328
>>> ce Pres., Panteras Northwest
>>> ce Pres., Pantera Owner's Club of America
>>> ----Original Message-----
>>> om: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at
>> realbig.com] On
>>> half Of msm at portata.com
>>> nt: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:28 PM
>>> : detomaso at realbig.com
>>> : rathsberg at web.de
>>> bject: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
>>> ust the messenger ...
>>> ello from Germany - I hope you can help me!
>>> have been offered a 1971 Pantera from a company in England.
>>> ter some research I found the car being offered by a U.S. based vintage
>>> r dealer.
>>> he car is said to be in very good shape (of course!) having a total
>>> ileage
>>> only 20,700 miles.
>>> e color is Green Aqua (#V306 ) and they claim that the car had only one
>>> ner from new.
>>> N THPNLU02206 Data tag info: Engine #: 02206 LH Rear Tag 874 01193
>>> o you know this car? I am very thankful for any message related to the
>>> ar!
>>> have no idea if it is accident free and I got no eMail reply so far
>>> swering my questions.
>>> have learned that it can be extremely helpful to contact a vintage car
>>> ub to find out about details and history of cars being offered by dealers.
>>> am very ambitious to find a good Pantera for quite a while now, the offers
>>> re in Germany are either of poor quality or far too expensive.
>>> f you have any information, please send me an eMail to: rathsberg at
>> web.deor
>>> can call you if you let me know your phone number.
>>> hank you very much indeed and best regards from Germany!
>>> rnd Dimbath
>>> hlossweg 25
>>> 080 Rathsberg
>>> RMANY
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:57:43 -0500
> From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp"<larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] On this day
> To:<detomaso at realbig.com>
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> On the eleventh day of the eleventh month we honor our veterans, the men and
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:33:12 -0800
> From: Robert Douglas<douglas at entropygroup.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Dave Adler - New Pantera Book
> To:<detomaso at list.realbig.com>
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> Hi all, Dave asked me to post this for him. He is looking for modified
> Panteras for a new book.
>
> I have been reading this list forever, but this is my first post. I hope I
> didn?t do anything incorrectly. I am RobertVegas on the Pantera.net forum
> and own an orange ?72 with GT5 flairs, etc.
>
> Message from Dave:
> Several years ago I began work on a new book to be titled, Extreme and
> Modified Panteras. I received a number of amazing contributions from Pantera
> owners and enthusiasts for my new title. Sadly, the recession claimed my
> project and it had to go on the back burner. Publishing a hard cover book is
> expensive.
>
> I now have a publisher willing to bring this book to life. If I get my way,
> it will be all-color and a coffee table type book around 160-200 pages. Not
> another treatise on Panteras but rather heavy-weighted in favor of
> photography with some descriptions. It should be a fun read and a helpful
> resource on modified cars. To purists, it will be an abomination but that is
> why the Pantera hobby is so much fun! No two people like the same thing.
>
> Besides having photo lay-outs on Panteras, there will be side-bar type
> features on specific items such as wheels, or an unusual interior or trick
> brakes, etc. In this way, a reader could view all types of modified cars and
> their features that creative and inspired owners have prepared.
>
> The main theme of the book is that these are modified cars, extreme
> modifications in some cases not stock cars. As much as I enjoy a stock car,
> it would be hard, in my view to sustain interest over 200 pages of just
> original cars (although as a member of the Austin Healy Club, their gorgeous
> magazine was full of original cars and was an enjoyable read although it
> looked like the same car on every page, just a different color).
>
> If you have a modified car or your car has special features that would be
> fit for publication, how about sending me an email at: dave at panteracars.com
> and I will send you back an outline of what I need. Send along a few low
> resolution pictures as well. Pictures not over 2MB. Those who have already
> sent me information, please drop me an email too so that I can update your
> car.
>
> The book will be at least a year off from now and I will update you on how
> we are coming along. I am not rushing it. Thank you for your interest and
> participation.
>
> Respectfully, Dave Adler
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:46:11 EST
> From: WLHPANTERA at aol.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] History Channel at Cars&  Coffee this Saturday
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> I just got off the phone with Colleen Lister.  She met with History
> Channel representatives at the SEMA show.  They are scouting out new plots  for
> automotive shows.  History Channel representatives will be at the  Irvine Cars
> &  Coffee this Saturday November 13th between 7-9am.   They will not be
> filming... just promoting and scouting.  This may be an  opportunity to gain
> some positive coverage of our Panteras.
> FYI, Bill Harris
> TPOC
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:46:42 -0500
> From: "michael at michaelshortt.com"<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: "LAST AIRPLANE OUT OF BOEING PLANT 2"
> To: DeTomaso Forum<detomaso at realbig.com>
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> Too cool not to share,  I had the chance to go to the museum years ago.
>
> Michael Shortt
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> "LAST AIRPLANE OUT OF BOEING PLANT 2"
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> Hi .  There is a "ton" of info at this website.  Hope you will enjoy it.
>
>>   "LAST AIRPLANE OUT OF BOEING PLANT 2"
>>       CLICK BELOW
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>> http://www.rbogash.com/Plant%202/2Plant2.html
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