[DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera

Thu Nov 11 08:23:43 EST 2010

"Original" or not???  Wow, are we Pantera folks lucky.  We can change anything (almost - Chevy engine: Not) and get nods of approval.  Harley folks are the same: customize your bike to make it yours, but be sure that YOU wear the appropriate black clothing, and you are cool, dude!!
But, it's good that a few want to keep them original - so in the future we can see what "original" is/was.   --Bill

> From: oldwheel at mts.net
> To: detomaso at realbig.com; msm at portata.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; michaelsavga at gmail.com; pantdino at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:10:00 -0600
> Subject: [DeTomaso]  German looking for Pantera
> 
> It is sometimes hard to see things from a different perspective than your
> own. If a true restoration to original condition is what the buyer has his
> heart set on, the silver car is nearly worthless to them. So much has been
> changed and discarded, it would cost a fortune to try to restore it. The
> AQUA car, on the other hand, might be a very good candidate as long as it
> isn't rotten with rust. It has much (not all) of the little original pieces
> that most Panteras now lack. I know that's not your perspective, but there
> are those of us who think a true original has great value (more Europeans
> think that way than Americans, I suspect). A Cevy powered Pantera is
> probably saleable to a very small percentage of the potential Pantera buyers
> market, so may not be easy to dump, regardless of how a few of us may feel
> about it. Until a pristine original Pantera has great value among Pantera
> owners groups, the rest of them will always be relatively unwanted (and
> called kit cars by many)
> Barry
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> Pantdino pantdino at aol.com
> Wed Nov 10 20:02:40 CST 2010
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> As I see it, the market value of a car is how much someone will pay for it,
> not how much the seller is asking for.
> 
> If the seller of the silver car had to lower his price it means it was not
> worth what he had previously been asking.  If it sells at the current price,
> then that is its market value.
> 
> There is clearly more than $10K in value difference between these two cars.
> Personally I wouldn't want a big block Chevy powered car, but it does
> establish a rough price for condition comparison point.
> 
> Jim
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> From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
> Sent: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 5:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
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> 
> So let's all hope the POS goes for top dollar, then nicer examples will be
> worth more. That's how it starts.  Pantera owners do this all of the time
> and thats why comparable cars with the same number of survivors outpace our
> car's dollar values.    I think we should all just add 15k to all Panteras
> on principle alone. Michael
> On Nov 10, 2010 7:50 PM, "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > I'm not sure what you mean
> > These are both Panteras so I'm not deriding them.
> > I'm just saying that a beautiful, running, driving car being sold by a
> known Pantera dealer is worth WAY more than a "not driven in years, may not
> start" project car being sold by a "general" dealer who doesn't even know
> leather from vinyl (the ad says the car has its original leather interior).
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> > To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Sent: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 4:42 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
> >
> >
> > We are our own worst enemy and this is why a crappy 308 can sell for more
> > han a Pantera. Why deride our cars? If he can get that, then how much
> could
> > ou or I get? Michael Shortt.
> > n Nov 10, 2010 7:33 PM, "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > If this car can be had for $46K there is positively no way the WA car is
> > orth $35
> >
> > http://www.pim.net/4092010DP.html
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2010 10:27 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
> >
> >
> >
> > udging from the cars I see advertised in the POCA magazine there is no way
> > his
> > ne is worth $35K.
> > Not started or driven in years??? Forget it unless someone has checked out
> > he
> > ngine and transaxle, rebuilt the brakes and clutch systems, etc, etc,
> > Jim Oddie
> >
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message-----
> > rom: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> > o: rathsberg at web.de
> > c: msm at portata.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> > ent: Tue, Nov 9, 2010 6:20 pm
> > ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
> >
> > uten tag, Bernd
> > 've personally reviewed this car, located in a rather eclectic shop in
> > rnation, WA, a little town about 30 miles NE of Seattle, WA, on the US
> > st coast. Couldn't get much further from Deutschland.
> > he car presents quite clean. There does not appear to have been any body
> > mage, and what rust is visible appears to be largely on the surface. It
> > s been repainted in the original and very rare Aqua green, but, oddly,
> > th the rear deck painted black. Said to have sat for many years, the
> > int is in very good condition. The original early interior is in
> > cellent condition, with the exception of the steering wheel center, and
> > e trim inside and out is good as well. The engine bay is fairly clean,
> > t totally original with the undercoating, hoses and wires, and looking
> > ke it hasn't been cared for for a while.
> > was not able to allowed to start the car to see how it ran (it supposedly
> > t in a barn not moving for many years before they found it), so I cannot
> > test to mechanical condition of either the engine or ZF transmission. The
> > lever seemed to move smoothly enough in the gate. This inspection was in
> > ne of this year, and recent news of those who have stopped to see the car
> > that they still have not tried to start it. This could be confirmed by
> > ntacting the seller directly.
> > f there are no mechanical issues, this would be a very nice car to show or
> > ive once attention was paid to all the usual things that dry out over
> > me, and a freshening of the fluids, brakes and cooling system.
> > he shop is called Vintage Motors, on line at www.giocars.com, and can be
> > ached by telephone at 425-333-5600. The owner's name is Jim Giordano.
> > ve spoken to him a couple of times, and he seems like a pretty good
> > rson.
> > believe other have replied, including Chuck Melton, who has a link to a
> > mber of photos which you may not have seen.
> > lease contact me directly if you wish.
> > uf Viedersehen
> > ke Thomas
> > L #6328
> > ce Pres., Panteras Northwest
> > ce Pres., Pantera Owner's Club of America
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> > om: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at
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> > half Of msm at portata.com
> > nt: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:28 PM
> > : detomaso at realbig.com
> > : rathsberg at web.de
> > bject: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
> > ust the messenger ...
> > ello from Germany - I hope you can help me!
> > have been offered a 1971 Pantera from a company in England.
> > ter some research I found the car being offered by a U.S. based vintage
> > r dealer.
> > he car is said to be in very good shape (of course!) having a total
> > ileage
> > only 20,700 miles.
> > e color is Green Aqua (#V306 ) and they claim that the car had only one
> > ner from new.
> > N THPNLU02206 Data tag info: Engine #: 02206 LH Rear Tag 874 01193
> > o you know this car? I am very thankful for any message related to the
> > ar!
> > have no idea if it is accident free and I got no eMail reply so far
> > swering my questions.
> > have learned that it can be extremely helpful to contact a vintage car
> > ub to find out about details and history of cars being offered by dealers.
> > am very ambitious to find a good Pantera for quite a while now, the offers
> > re in Germany are either of poor quality or far too expensive.
> > f you have any information, please send me an eMail to: rathsberg at
> web.deor
> > can call you if you let me know your phone number.
> > hank you very much indeed and best regards from Germany!
> > rnd Dimbath
> > hlossweg 25
> > 080 Rathsberg
> > RMANY
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