[DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera

Wed Nov 10 21:02:40 EST 2010

As I see it, the market value of a car is how much someone will pay for it, not how much the seller is asking for.

If the seller of the silver car had to lower his price it means it was not worth what he had previously been asking.  If it sells at the current price, then that is its market value.

There is clearly more than $10K in value difference between these two cars. Personally I wouldn't want a big block Chevy powered car, but it does establish a rough price for condition comparison point.

Jim

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From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com; michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera

So let's all hope the POS goes for top dollar, then nicer examples will be worth more. That's how it starts.  Pantera owners do this all of the time and thats why comparable cars with the same number of survivors outpace our car's dollar values.    I think we should all just add 15k to all Panteras on principle alone. Michael
On Nov 10, 2010 7:50 PM, "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
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> Michael,
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> I'm not sure what you mean
> These are both Panteras so I'm not deriding them.
> I'm just saying that a beautiful, running, driving car being sold by a known Pantera dealer is worth WAY more than a "not driven in years, may not start" project car being sold by a "general" dealer who doesn't even know leather from vinyl (the ad says the car has its original leather interior).
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> Jim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: michael at michaelshortt.com <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 4:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
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> We are our own worst enemy and this is why a crappy 308 can sell for more
> han a Pantera. Why deride our cars? If he can get that, then how much could
> ou or I get? Michael Shortt.
> n Nov 10, 2010 7:33 PM, "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
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> If this car can be had for $46K there is positively no way the WA car is
> orth $35
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> http://www.pim.net/4092010DP.html
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> Jim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2010 10:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
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> udging from the cars I see advertised in the POCA magazine there is no way
> his
> ne is worth $35K.
> Not started or driven in years??? Forget it unless someone has checked out
> he
> ngine and transaxle, rebuilt the brakes and clutch systems, etc, etc,
> Jim Oddie
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> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> o: rathsberg at web.de
> c: msm at portata.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> ent: Tue, Nov 9, 2010 6:20 pm
> ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
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> uten tag, Bernd
> 've personally reviewed this car, located in a rather eclectic shop in
> rnation, WA, a little town about 30 miles NE of Seattle, WA, on the US
> st coast. Couldn't get much further from Deutschland.
> he car presents quite clean. There does not appear to have been any body
> mage, and what rust is visible appears to be largely on the surface. It
> s been repainted in the original and very rare Aqua green, but, oddly,
> th the rear deck painted black. Said to have sat for many years, the
> int is in very good condition. The original early interior is in
> cellent condition, with the exception of the steering wheel center, and
> e trim inside and out is good as well. The engine bay is fairly clean,
> t totally original with the undercoating, hoses and wires, and looking
> ke it hasn't been cared for for a while.
> was not able to allowed to start the car to see how it ran (it supposedly
> t in a barn not moving for many years before they found it), so I cannot
> test to mechanical condition of either the engine or ZF transmission. The
> lever seemed to move smoothly enough in the gate. This inspection was in
> ne of this year, and recent news of those who have stopped to see the car
> that they still have not tried to start it. This could be confirmed by
> ntacting the seller directly.
> f there are no mechanical issues, this would be a very nice car to show or
> ive once attention was paid to all the usual things that dry out over
> me, and a freshening of the fluids, brakes and cooling system.
> he shop is called Vintage Motors, on line at www.giocars.com, and can be
> ached by telephone at 425-333-5600. The owner's name is Jim Giordano.
> ve spoken to him a couple of times, and he seems like a pretty good
> rson.
> believe other have replied, including Chuck Melton, who has a link to a
> mber of photos which you may not have seen.
> lease contact me directly if you wish.
> uf Viedersehen
> ke Thomas
> L #6328
> ce Pres., Panteras Northwest
> ce Pres., Pantera Owner's Club of America
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> om: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> half Of msm at portata.com
> nt: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:28 PM
> : detomaso at realbig.com
> : rathsberg at web.de
> bject: [DeTomaso] German looking for Pantera
> ust the messenger ...
> ello from Germany - I hope you can help me!
> have been offered a 1971 Pantera from a company in England.
> ter some research I found the car being offered by a U.S. based vintage
> r dealer.
> he car is said to be in very good shape (of course!) having a total
> ileage
> only 20,700 miles.
> e color is Green Aqua (#V306 ) and they claim that the car had only one
> ner from new.
> N THPNLU02206 Data tag info: Engine #: 02206 LH Rear Tag 874 01193
> o you know this car? I am very thankful for any message related to the
> ar!
> have no idea if it is accident free and I got no eMail reply so far
> swering my questions.
> have learned that it can be extremely helpful to contact a vintage car
> ub to find out about details and history of cars being offered by dealers.
> am very ambitious to find a good Pantera for quite a while now, the offers
> re in Germany are either of poor quality or far too expensive.
> f you have any information, please send me an eMail to: rathsberg at web.deor
> can call you if you let me know your phone number.
> hank you very much indeed and best regards from Germany!
> rnd Dimbath
> hlossweg 25
> 080 Rathsberg
> RMANY
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