[DeTomaso] NPC - Corporate taxes

Mon Nov 8 22:05:35 EST 2010

I suggest reading 'The Shadow Market" by Eric Weiner. I think all still reading 
this string/topic will find it informative and a bit scary.

Peter Kovacs
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209 436-2000 fx

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From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; doug351c at gmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com; 
chrisvkimball at msn.com; p6746 at aol.com; fresnofinches at aol.com
Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 6:45:58 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Corporate taxes

Larry, reading your lines below - you have gotten the problem, "...both sides of 
the aisle are in the pocket of the Wall-street corporate machine...."  Now, if 
you will only include ANYONE who wants to buy votes (you are in bed with the 
unions, Sierra Club, PETA, NOW - you don't think that they buy votes), you will 
be entirely correct.  So, we Americans have to tackle THAT problem first before 
we can ever solve any of out party planks!  ---Bill

> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:14:26 -0800
> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
> To: doug351c at gmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com; chrisvkimball at msn.com; 
>P6746 at aol.com; fresnofinches at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Corporate taxes
> 
> As Thomas Jefferson said
>  
> "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of 
>patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure."
>  
> Maybe you have heard of him?  Most liberals have, but conveniently avoid just 
>about everything he ever said.  
>
>  
> Ken
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Corporate taxes
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, doug351c at gmail.com, detomaso at realbig.com, 
>chrisvkimball at msn.com, P6746 at aol.com
> Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 2:01 PM
> 
> 
> 
> While tax RATES are an interesting portion of the issue, I haven't seen any of 
>my detractors contest
> my post which pointed out the actual share of overall US taxes received that 
>are PAID by corporations has
> been lessening while the individuals' portion has been increasing.
> 
> But those figures aren't what my detractors want to learn about, or apparently, 
>comprehend.
> 
> Perhaps the corporate-politico-lobbyist machine has added enough loopholes and 
>write-offs in recent decades to
> give the "high taxes are killing us" corporate crocodile tears apparent 
>validity to those not willing to look at the
> bottom line of who is now actually PAYING what?
> 
> And just for the record, just as both sides of the aisle are in the pocket of 
>the Wall Street-corporate machine, so too is the corporate-owned media.
> They depend on advertising, not letters to the editor. They know who to side 
>with, and despite the off-repeated 'liberal media' buzzword,
> for the most part the media's agenda is not the Common Man's agenda.
> 
> Larry
> 
> P.S. - Ken, I'm still waiting to hear the details on the Civil War you alluded 
>to in your recent post. Or did I infer something other than what you
>          meant by your use of the word revolution? To me a revolution is an 
>internal armed uprising against a government. You could have said
>          it would be time for increased political action, time to propose and 
>pass changes to the constitution, time for peaceful demonstrations to
>          garner support for changes in laws and regulations. But you said 
>revolution.
>          Again, please provide the details of just what your revolution would 
>entail.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Doug Braun <doug351c at gmail.com>; fresnofinches at aol.com; Pantera List Serve 
><detomaso at realbig.com>; Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2010 10:49 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Corporate taxes
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Darn it Chris, don't confuse the rhetoric with facts.  The liberal main stream 
>media won't stand for it!
> 
> Ken
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Corporate taxes
> To: "Doug Braun" <doug351c at gmail.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, "Pantera List 
>Serve" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 9:59 AM
> 
> 
> 
> By the way, there was a response about corporate taxes versus personal taxes.  
>Corporate tax rates are as follows (2209 rates):  
>
> 
> 75,000 to 100,000:        34% tax rate
> 100,000 to            335,000:        39% tax rate
> 
> So you'll notice, the tax rates are higher than individual tax rates.  It's 
>true that many large corporations have years when they pay little or no taxes, 
>but in many cases that's because they have carry-forward losses from previous 
>years.  That, or they're getting subsidies from the Government for creating 
>"green energy" products, that on their own wouldn't make a dime, but would 
>instead lose money.  In fact, the head of our regional power company spoke at 
>Rotary the other day, and when questioned, she had to admit that the wind power 
>facilities they are operating would be a total money-losing proposition if it 
>weren't for Federal subsidies.
> 
> Oh, and by the way, trust tax rates are even more egregious.  After only the 
>first $11,200 of income, the rate is 35%, or in other words, the same as the top 
>marginal individual rate.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Chris 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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