[DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
Brent Stewart
bjbstewart at yahoo.com
Wed May 12 12:09:14 EDT 2010
So, i have a funny MSD story. While i had the engine bay open prior to the new engine install, i decided to upgrade from a 6A to a 6AL. I *thought* I had correctly duplicated the wiring for the new box exactly.
Yesterday As we tried to start the new engine we noticed that when I turned the ignition to "on", all the pretty wire covering stuff (the plastic slip on stuff) started melting! We quickly turned off the key and disconnected the battery. turns out some idiot had wired the ground from the MSD to the hot on the solenoid! I literally pealed off all the gooey plastic, checked the wires (seemed fine, but hot), and let it cool down for a bit. We then connected it up correctly and, well the video speaks for itself (video here for those that missed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NATXBUWNECQ).
Not sure how long the 6AL will last, but i was pretty impressed that it wasn't fried!!
brent
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From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: pantdino at aol.com; Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
Cc: charlesmccall at gmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com; hoppe1 at cox.net
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 9:18:08 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
I bought a couple MSD coils, a less expensive coil (PN 8207) that was about $30, and one that is suppose to be a race coil (PN 8252) for about $120. The $30 coil was labeled "made in China" and the $120 coil was labeled "made in the USA". They were both described as compatable with the 6AL box.
Ken
--- On Mon, 5/10/10, Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com> wrote:
From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
To: pantdino at aol.com
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com, charlesmccall at gmail.com, hoppe1 at cox.net
Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 10:52 PM
Hey there's a thought.
Perhaps
- the cheap ones are made in China, drop-shipped to a distribution
center and then to customers.
- better ones are made in China, but screened by an acceptance test at
MSD before they go to customers.
- good ones are built by MSD with a quality-controlled vendor chain.
If we knew what the acceptance test was .............?
dave
pantdino at aol.com wrote:
> This is a valid point.
> So perhaps if one antes up for the good stuff the failure rate would drop to near zero, where it should be.
>
> Jim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: hoppe1 at cox.net; tipo874 at comcast.net; pantdino at aol.com; charlesmccall at gmail.com; cengles at cox.net
> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 4:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
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> SD makes a selection of analog and digital ignition boxes with varying duty
> ycle and corresponding price tag, just go to www.msdignition.com and see the
> rray of offerings. There is a 6ALN, the 'N' designating Nascar duty and
> rofessional race series available (black MSD boxes) like the 6HVC. Of course we
> ll know the low end stuff produced for the masses isn't going through the same
> igor of testing as the race stuff.
>
> You can buy two of the basic analog 'disposable' 6AL's for the price of one more
> obust digital version or a race box, so what do most Pantera owners do?
>
> Julian
>
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:44:02 -0700
> From: hoppe1 at cox.net
> To: tipo874 at comcast.net; pantdino at aol.com; charlesmccall at gmail.com;
> engles at cox.net
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
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> MSD makes race boxes.
>
> I have a dual system that I bought. It came out of Dale Earnhardt Jr car.
>
> I don't remember what it is called. I am not at home. It has two Black boxes
> ith two coils etc.
>
> Rich
>
> ---- Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> > All of that is true, but a pro-team would not be likely to run an inferior
> > product jeapordizing their chances of winning for sponsor money.
> >
> > At least that's what I'd think, but I imagine that the world of pro-stock
> > sponsorship moves a lot of money and there may be some surprising things
> > happening?
> >
> > Charles McCall
> > 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
> > "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
> > http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
> > nombre de Dan Mixon
> > Enviado el: lunes, 10 de mayo de 2010 16:54
> > Para: cengles at cox.net; pantdino at aol.com
> > CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
> >
> > The race teams get their parts free (and they not off the shelf items from
> > Summit). And they only have to last 500 miles. The race teams put the
> > product decals on the car and get sponsor money. The bigger the decal, the
> > more sponsor money. Depending on how they finish, they can additionally win
> > contingency money.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> > Behalf Of cengles at cox.net
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 09:21
> > To: pantdino at aol.com
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
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> >
> > Dear Jim,
> >
> > You make a very good point, sir.
> >
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> > ---- pantdino at aol.com wrote:
> > >You are assuming the NASCAR boys use the same product sold to the public.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > To: pantdino at aol.com; cengles at cox.net; tonydigi at optonline.net; Jim Gray
> > <grayjim at att.net>
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 6:13 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
> >
> > It seems like the NASCAR guys would use a better product if it was out
> > there. The price would not be an issue unless it was really high. I'm not
> > sure what the tradeoffs are, but I assume they are pretty sure that two
> > boxes will not both fail. Ken--- On Sun, 5/9/10, Jim Gray <grayjim at att.net>
> > wrote:From: Jim Gray <grayjim at att.net>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box
> > failure? ???????To: pantdino at aol.com, cengles at cox.net,
> > tonydigi at optonline.netCc: detomaso at realbig.comDate: Sunday, May 9, 2010,
> > 1:37 PMSoooo...Jim, what would you buy for longevity? I've had bad
> > experience withMallory.Jim Gray-----Original Message-----From:
> > detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] OnBehalf
> > Of pantdino at aol.comSent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:03 PMTo: cengles at cox.net;
> > tonydigi at optonline.netCc: detomaso at realbig.comSubject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD
> > Box failure? ???????Shipping a dead device shows they have no quality
> > control whatsoever-- theconsumer is the quality control inspector they don't
> > want to bother withJapanese cars go 260,000 miles and 15 years with no
> > ignition systemproblems. (personal experience)Even my 1978 Alfa Romeo went
> > 10 years or so without ign probs. Does thatmean Italian electrics are world
> > class?I can't figure out why people buy MSD boxes. A classic study in
> > goodmarketing.Jim Oddie-----Original Message-----From: Charles Engles
> > <cengles at cox.net>To: 'Tony DiGiovanna' <tonydigi at optonline.net>Cc:
> > detomaso at realbig.comSent: Sun, May 9, 2010 11:16 amSubject: Re: [DeTomaso]
> > MSD Box failure? ???????Dear Tony, I have full MSD systems on
> > both of my Panteras. All in all Iuspect that I have at least a total of
> > twelve trouble free years of useetween the two of them. I even
> > stressed one system by welding on the car withoutomplete proper
> > disconnection. That boo-boo was about five years ago and Iave had no
> > problems with it. I have had two MSD problems. One: a brand
> > new 6-AL box wasead on delivery from Summit. Two: one distributor cap
> > seemed to developome sort of corrosion schmutz that required replacing the
> > cap. FWIW, iteems that MSD had more than one problem with that and it was
> > some sort ofanufacturing problem, which they did not make good on and
> > customers had toony up for new caps. Sigh. Finally, the two
> > Panteras and their MSD ignition systems haveach done at least four thousand
> > miles of long distance trips without anyssues over the last several
> > years. I have heard the horror stories too,ut mine have served well.
> > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles----Original Message-----rom:
> > detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] Onehalf
> > Of Tony DiGiovannaent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:46 AMo: 'DeTomaso
> > Forum'ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????Over the years, I've
> > seen so many posts here regarding MSD Box Failure thatdon't think I'm ever
> > going to buy one. Anybody feel the up-side is wortht?-----Original
> > Message-----rom: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] Onehalf Of
> > michael at michaelshortt.coment: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:14 PMo: DeTomaso
> > Forumubject: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????Has anyone experienced a MSD
> > failure while cruising on the road Car just backfired and cut off, will not
> > restart, turns over but noire. I think the MSD box may have been splashed
> > several hours earlier whenar was washed, but it ran fine for 30 min after
> > that. Waiting on tow truckow. Michael
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