[DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????

Mon May 10 21:16:53 EDT 2010

Years back, my engine was Dynoed at Nickens Brothers, a race shop that was 
responsible for building and prepping Chrysler sponsored Drag cars.  MSD was 
also a sponsor and they had an open checkbook with them.  They ordered an 
MSD distributor, wires, coil and 7AL for my car.  They made no mention of 
them being any different than what was available to a street customer and 
the components look the same to me.

BTW, they gave me the parts for free.  Nice guys!

There is always a lot of speculation that sometimes gets passed as truth, 
this is an actual experience.

I believe that I have had problems with MSD coils.  Little else.

JT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hoppe1 at cox.net>
To: "'Dan Mixon'" <tipo874 at comcast.net>; <pantdino at aol.com>; "Charles 
McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; <cengles at cox.net>
Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????

> MSD makes race boxes.
>
> I have a dual system that I bought.  It came out of Dale Earnhardt Jr car.
>
> I don't remember what it is called.  I am not at home.  It has two Black 
> boxes with  two coils etc.
>
> Rich
>
> ---- Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>> All of that is true, but a pro-team would not be likely to run an 
>> inferior
>> product jeapordizing their chances of winning for sponsor money.
>>
>> At least that's what I'd think, but I imagine that the world of pro-stock
>> sponsorship moves a lot of money and there may be some surprising things
>> happening?
>>
>> Charles McCall
>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>> "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
>> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
>> nombre de Dan Mixon
>> Enviado el: lunes, 10 de mayo de 2010 16:54
>> Para: cengles at cox.net; pantdino at aol.com
>> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
>>
>> The race teams get their parts free (and they not off the shelf items 
>> from
>> Summit). And they only have to last 500 miles. The race teams put the
>> product decals on the car and get sponsor money. The bigger the decal, 
>> the
>> more sponsor money. Depending on how they finish, they can additionally 
>> win
>> contingency money.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of cengles at cox.net
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 09:21
>> To: pantdino at aol.com
>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
>>
>>
>> Dear Jim,
>>
>> You make a very good point, sir.
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>> ---- pantdino at aol.com wrote:
>> >You are assuming the NASCAR boys use the same product sold to the 
>> >public.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> To: pantdino at aol.com; cengles at cox.net; tonydigi at optonline.net; Jim Gray
>> <grayjim at att.net>
>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 6:13 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????
>>
>> It seems like the NASCAR guys would use a better product if it was out
>> there. The price would not be an issue unless it was really high. I'm not
>> sure what the tradeoffs are, but I assume they are pretty sure that two
>> boxes will not both fail. Ken--- On Sun, 5/9/10, Jim Gray 
>> <grayjim at att.net>
>> wrote:From: Jim Gray <grayjim at att.net>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box
>> failure? ???????To: pantdino at aol.com, cengles at cox.net,
>> tonydigi at optonline.netCc: detomaso at realbig.comDate: Sunday, May 9, 2010,
>> 1:37 PMSoooo...Jim, what would you buy for longevity? I've had bad
>> experience withMallory.Jim Gray-----Original Message-----From:
>> detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> OnBehalf
>> Of pantdino at aol.comSent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:03 PMTo: cengles at cox.net;
>> tonydigi at optonline.netCc: detomaso at realbig.comSubject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD
>> Box failure? ???????Shipping a dead device shows they have no quality
>> control whatsoever-- theconsumer is the quality control inspector they 
>> don't
>> want to bother withJapanese cars go 260,000 miles and 15 years with no
>> ignition systemproblems. (personal experience)Even my 1978 Alfa Romeo 
>> went
>> 10 years or so without ign probs. Does thatmean Italian electrics are 
>> world
>> class?I can't figure out why people buy MSD boxes. A classic study in
>> goodmarketing.Jim Oddie-----Original Message-----From: Charles Engles
>> <cengles at cox.net>To: 'Tony DiGiovanna' <tonydigi at optonline.net>Cc:
>> detomaso at realbig.comSent: Sun, May 9, 2010 11:16 amSubject: Re: 
>> [DeTomaso]
>> MSD Box failure? ???????Dear Tony, I have full MSD systems on
>> both of my Panteras. All in all Iuspect that I have at least a total of
>> twelve trouble free years of useetween the two of them. I even
>> stressed one system by welding on the car withoutomplete proper
>> disconnection. That boo-boo was about five years ago and Iave had no
>> problems with it. I have had two MSD problems. One: a brand
>> new 6-AL box wasead on delivery from Summit. Two: one distributor cap
>> seemed to developome sort of corrosion schmutz that required replacing 
>> the
>> cap. FWIW, iteems that MSD had more than one problem with that and it was
>> some sort ofanufacturing problem, which they did not make good on and
>> customers had toony up for new caps. Sigh. Finally, the two
>> Panteras and their MSD ignition systems haveach done at least four 
>> thousand
>> miles of long distance trips without anyssues over the last several
>> years. I have heard the horror stories too,ut mine have served well.
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles----Original Message-----rom:
>> detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> Onehalf
>> Of Tony DiGiovannaent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:46 AMo: 'DeTomaso
>> Forum'ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????Over the years, I've
>> seen so many posts here regarding MSD Box Failure thatdon't think I'm 
>> ever
>> going to buy one. Anybody feel the up-side is wortht?-----Original
>> Message-----rom: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] Onehalf Of
>> michael at michaelshortt.coment: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:14 PMo: DeTomaso
>> Forumubject: [DeTomaso] MSD Box failure? ???????Has anyone experienced a 
>> MSD
>> failure while cruising on the road Car just backfired and cut off, will 
>> not
>> restart, turns over but noire. I think the MSD box may have been splashed
>> several hours earlier whenar was washed, but it ran fine for 30 min after
>> that. Waiting on tow truckow. Michael
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